garym;625724 Wrote: > Good questions. First, yes in my opinion, all tracks should have tags > containing album and track RG values (whether one uses them or not > currently). > > I use "smart gain" in SB, as I believe that when playing a complete > album I want to preserve the relative loudness among songs on the > album. And of course, with random tracks it will use track gain (which > to me seems appropriate). With regard to the "audiophile" issue related > to always using album gain, I'd argue that once you are not listening to > the entire album in the artist's (or producer's) desired order, all bets > are off anyhow (Dark Side of the Moon anyone?). As an aside, I'd assume > "audiophiles" would prefer not to have any volume adjustments made in > the digital playback chain so wouldn't use album or track gain.
yep, i use smartgain too. but he apparently nearly always uses album gain, even when doing a completely random mix. whats funny is DSOTM is EXACTLY the example i made, even going so far as to post the values and doing the math on differences. i mean, on a "whole collection" random mix, what good is playing "speak to me" at -3.69 album RG when its track value is +15 something? for me, the only real debate is could one use album RG for a single album in shuffle mode? i tend to think not, but its hard to explain why. garym;625724 Wrote: > With regard to the only real debatable question I see (for me) in your > question is the track gain for random play of an album. I guess in my > case I never actually do this. I listen to an album (in track order) or > I listen to random songs, which are always from multiple albums (even if > from the same artist). This said, I tend to agree that once you go to > random, track gain is the default choice. exactly the same with me. i haven't listened to a single album in shuffle mode for over 20 some years. but as a thought experiment... garym;625724 Wrote: > One question though, and I don't know the answer. Does smartgain > automatically use track gain when playing a single album but in random > order? I would of guessed otherwise (that is SB sees a complete album > in the playlist and chooses album gain, even if random). But again, > don't know. i always assumed smartgain took the track numbers in the playlist into account, meaning it looked for sequential playback to enable album RG, but i have no evidence to back that up. surely an expert here knows exactly how smartgain functions? garym;625724 Wrote: > Another aside: The mp3 or AAC files I have (either only or from my FLAC > files) I did use mp3tag to convert my itunes SOUNDCHECK values to the > Album RG value (given that with SOUNDCHECK you can use only one value). > So given that I could only have one, I went with Album Gain. I suppose > this doesn't sound logical, given that with track value, I could use > track gain for random play and simply turn OFF soundcheck on ipod for > album play. But I didn't want to be bothered with that. And frankly, I > rarely listen to IPOD anymore given my proliferation of SB players > everywhere. if it were me, i would maintain both sets of tags. so, do RG tags on everything, (winamp does this well), and then let itunes add soundcheck tags as well. (u gotta do winamp first, b/c it deletes frames it doesn't understand) -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 & sbc (my home) / sbrec & ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.4b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87061 _______________________________________________ ripping mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
