Try being a hospital radio station in the UK. We already pay PRS/PPL for covering the physical sites we're on (that's a fairly recent change for closed circuit services). However, if we wanted to go online, we wouldn't qualify as a simulcast (despite being one) and would need to pay for the small webcaster licences. The equivalent community radio licence covers both and would come in cheaper but is not available to us.
That said, the community guys were a bit irked to find one of the agencies were wanting to charge extra for the small scale DAB trials that are currently ongoing. While it's not unknown for stations to stream online and hope not to get spotted by the agencies, it's quite a risk. I know of one broadcaster a few years back that got a surprisingly large bill for five years of music royalties despite claiming they were already covered by other licences. Regards, Marc. On 29 January 2016 at 11:59, Wayne Merricks <[email protected]> wrote: > Sadly that seems to be the norm for smaller independent artists. Unless > you're one of the lucky ones or a big record label you are basically being > conned out of money. > > Even from the streaming point of view, we have been talking with the UK > licensing authority (PRS and VPL) both of them want money and both of them > straight away demanded to know how long we'd been streaming. They then > wanted back payments for the last 15 years even though we don't stream to > the UK market (India and Pakistan mainly). > > Thankfully they calmed down when they finally realised Live 365 had a > cross licence agreement with the UK but you could hear the disappointment > in their voices that they weren't getting more money. As a small > broadcaster PRS etc are really quite threatening organisations and they > have very little idea about the realities of Internet streaming. > > To be 100% legal with no grey area (they never give you a proper answer > because they don't know) we have to: > * Pay all UK royalties because we are based here (even though most of our > songs are from India/Pakistan who don't really have a royalties authority > like we do in the UK) > * Ban anyone from listening who is not in the UK > * Talk to every country that people are listening to our stream and pay > for licensing there too > > It is so far beyond a mess it beggars belief. > > On 2016-01-29 11:34, Cowboy wrote: > >> On 01/28/2016 12:29 PM, Wayne Merricks wrote: >> >>> However, the real problem with Live 365 going away is not the >>> streaming. You now need your own agreement with whatever licensing >>> authorities you have to comply with. In the UK this is not cheap at >>> all. >>> >> >> Hear ! Hear ! >> >> And, they are trying hard to make it as expensive and onerous as possible >> here, under the guise of "royalties" for the artists, living or dead. >> >> Interesting that one artist I happen to know, literally walked into >> the Sound Exchange offices in Wash. D.C. to inquire about his royalty >> payments, and was told that he couldn't be found ! >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > [email protected] > http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev >
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