Hi! Thenk you for your help... now a possible inter-relation between
Start/End markers and Fade Up/Down markers pops up... Regarding the
other marks, your explanation is a nice and clear explanation.
On 10/25/21 6:07 PM, Mike Carroll wrote:
I can't speak to the actual levels that are involved, but here's how
we use the markers.
* Cut Start - Airplay starts playing the cut wherever this marker is
placed; anything before the marker is ignored. We use this to drop
excessive intro chatter in live cuts, and in one case to drop out
an obscenity at the start of a song.
* Cut End - Airplay ends playing the cut and starts the next cart.
We use this to drop bad edits on live cuts, where the start of the
next song is included in the cut.
The problem with the start/end markers is that the Airplay output
level is at its normal setting. This can cause abrupt-sounding
transitions from one song to the next. The Fade settings can help
with this.
* Fade Up - Airplay starts playing the cut at "silence" level at the
beginning of the marker, then increases the level to normal by the
end of the marker. We use this to soften the beginning of live
music, where there may be an abrupt edit between two cuts.
Ok... Here's the point, and my confusion, because I ONLY have 1 mark,
the FadeUP mark, I don't see any possible interval... I quote your mail:
'Airplay starts playing the cut at "silence" level at the beginning of
the marker'
...but which Marker? The Start Cut? or Fade-Up Marker itself?
Or do you mean I can put Fade-up mark BEFORE Cut-Start mark? defining,
now with two marks, an effective fade UP interval? ... if so, my
understanding of Cut-Start Mark is that, it sets the point where the
content starts, ignoring anything before it UNLESS a Fade-Up Mark is
define, in which case, Cut-start mark behaves differently... this is the
point I don't understand
* Fade Down - Airplay starts fading the cut at the beginning of the
marker, reaching "silence" level at the end of the marker. We use
this to soften applause after live cuts, or to force a fade on a
song that ends abruptly.
Note that RDLibrary does not perform Fade Up or Down when you're
playing a cut in the waveform editor (at least in Riv2).
The Segue settings give you more help with cart transitions.
* Segue Start - Airplay starts fading the cut to "silence" at the
beginning of the marker. This continues until Segue End.
* Segue End - The cut is a "silence" level by this point. Airplay
ends playing the cut.
The difference between Segue Start/End and Fade Down is the Airplay
will start playing the next cart at the beginning of Segue Start
rather than at the end of Fade Down. This allows you to overlap carts
for segues. Note that the Segue markers are ignored unless you have
"segue" set as the cart transition in your logs.
These other markers aren't used by us:
* Talk Start/End - This turns the Airplay time indicator blue at
Start, returning to normal color at End. This is used to let the
DJ know it's a good place to talk over the music. The setting
doesn't do anything else that I can see.
* Hook Start/End - This marks a section of the cut that will be
played in Airplay when a Sound Panel button is pressed. It's
controlled by the "Play" setting on bottom of the Sound Panel -
"Play All" or "Play Hook".
Regards,
Mike
On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 8:20 AM Alejandro olivan Alvarez
<alejandro.olivan.alva...@gmail.com
<mailto:alejandro.olivan.alva...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi list.
While trying to go as deep as I can in testing Rivendell, I'm finding
that I'm not understanding enough the underlying use-cases of certain
tools... particularly audio (waveforms) manipulation tools.
I've read the documentation... but is merely an statement (which I
semantically understand) but I fail to understand the working
principle/mechanism
Regarding Fade-Down, I think this is the easy one: I understand that,
whenever you put the mark on, RDAirplay, when reaching the mark, will
start unconditionally to fade down, FROM that point, onwards... If
that's the case, It's unclear to me to which level the fading down
will
reach (I asume -40dB , or whatever 'mute' level the machine is at)
and
how long will take the fading lasts (to the end of the song,
linearly,
for some amount of predefined time, linearly, etc). The way I imagine
fade-down use-case, it is meant to be put close to the end of the
song
(so I can have a trailing bass drum base faded down)... any hints?
Am I
very wrong?
Regarding Fade-Up, I'm quite confused... what is supposed to
happen in
RDAirplay at this mark? if It will start fading up, to full level
(0 db
I guess) FROM that point on, what is the level before it? does the
presence of such mark imply that everything before the mark gets
muted?
or, on the contrary, the mark indicates the point where/when full
level
is reached AT?... and, if so, where in time does the fading up
starts?
could someone clarify?
Thank yo very much.
Best regards.
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