On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 15:23, Sean Gilligan wrote: > I just re-read the proposal and I don't see an explanation of how > changing the default template makes things harder. If I had a better > understanding of Roller internals, I might get it, but from the proposal > alone, I don't understand.
The second paragraph under Abstact lists the reason for the change. The truth is that based on my knowledge of the Roller internals I felt this change was a necessary change technically. > > If you provide details, I'll update the proposal to include them. there is no need to do that. the proposal is old and is only meant as a description of work to be done. now that the work is complete if would be tiresome to keep the proposals up to date. > > Just to be clear: I'm talking about setting the default page to use a > different template, without allowing deletion or renaming of the Weblog > template. (I believe this would be implemented as the ability to write > the "defaultpageid" field of the "website" table) I know exactly what you are talking about, especially because it was my proposal and I completed the work. The ability to change your default template was removed on purpose. > > Would it be possible and/or desirable to re-enable the ability to change > the default without renaming/deleting the required "Weblog" template? pretty unlikely, but you can try if you like. like i said, there were technical reasons for making this change which affected the caching system, the way urls were handled, the theme system, etc. i'm sorry that it has caused you a little extra work. -- Allen > > -- Sean > > > Allen Gilliland wrote: > > I will concede that the old way was slightly easier from a UE point of > > view, but the point was to gain some leverage technically. We haven't > > lost any real functionality and the fact is that most people still just > > want their blog homepage to work the way it works by default, so you > > represent the exception, not the rule. > > > >>From a technical point of view, allowing users to change their default > > weblog template was making things harder on us in various ways. The > > details are in the proposal that you mentioned. > > > > -- Allen > > > > > > On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 14:08, Sean Gilligan wrote: > >> That's what I ended up doing, but it seems to me to be less friendly > >> than the way it worked before. For two reasons: > >> > >> 1) I can't easily change the default template with a pop-up (I have to > >> edit one template, select all text, copy, edit another, paste, save) > >> > >> 2) It's nice to keep the default template unmodified for comparison > >> purposes or to switch back if I break something. > >> > >> I understand the benefit of clearly marking (and enforcing the presence > >> of) the required templates, but is there any harm in allowing the > >> default to be changed? > >> > >> -- Sean > >> > >> > >> Allen Gilliland wrote: > >>> You can still have a custom homepage, the only requirement is that you > >>> use the template named "Weblog" to represent the homepage for your > >>> blog. So login, edit template "Weblog", and do whatever you want with > >>> it. > >>> > >>> -- Allen > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 12:59, Sean Gilligan wrote: > >>>> I've noticed an issue (don't know whether to call it a change, bug, or > >>>> documentation discrepancy) in Roller 2.1. > >>>> > >>>> It seems you can no longer change the default "page" for your site from > >>>> Weblog.vm. It looks like this happened as part of the > >>>> "StandardizedTemplates" change: > >>>> http://rollerweblogger.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Proposal_StandardizedTemplates > >>>> > >>>> This seems a step backwards in functionality because you can't have a > >>>> home page on your "website" that is not a Weblog page. It also requires > >>>> you to cut and paste between templates to make a "whole file" change > >>>> to your homepage. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Sean > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Documentation references: > >>>> > >>>> Section 4.1 (Weblog Settings): > >>>> Lists the "Page to be used as the homepage" setting (I put a ? here when > >>>> I submitted some edits recently) > >>>> > >>>> Section 5.1 (Weblog and day templates) of the manual says: > >>>> "Your weblog page is the main page of your web site, the one that is > >>>> specified as the default page in your Preferences:Settings page." > >>>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >
