Hopefully we'll hear from a wider set of people about this, but I am
still wondering what the use case is for these edit links. How are you
guys actually using them? You actually move back and forth between the
authoring interface and your rendered weblog to edit entries?
I think my biggest hang-up is that I have never heard of a content
publishing system that actually ties it's rendered content together with
it's publishing interface. It seems strange to me that rendered content
(static content) should try and have a reference back to the publishing
system.
anyways ...
-- Allen
Matt Raible wrote:
I agree with Dave, -1 on removing Edit links from posts when logged in
as an author.
Matt
On 6/29/06, Dave Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-1 on removing edit links and in-line menu.
I use them many times a day and conside them extremely useful.
- Dave
On 6/29/06, Allen Gilliland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would agree with your point that the little "edit" links on
entries is
> the less useful element, but I still consider that little editor
menu to
> be a bit out of context.
>
> The menu itself is nice and I suggest we continue using it, however it
> makes way more sense to me for that to be part of the authoring
> interface rather than on *all* weblog pages. I can see a little menu
> like that being on the main menu page.
>
> I am also yet to understand why it makes any sense for a weblog page to
> be knowledgeable about the login status of a user. You login to the
> authoring interface, not a weblog. To me the rendered weblog pages are
> a completely separate system from the authoring system (which is
> basically the case in the code as well) and they shouldn't be tied
together.
>
> -- Allen
>
>
> Martin Giljohann wrote:
> > I like the idea of simplifying the blog UIs and from my point of
view the edit link is somewhat unnecessary.
> >
> > However I disagree with the general idea of not considering
authorization for the blog templates, because I regard e.g. the
navigation menu as being pretty useful in terms of having a shortcut
for the author for posting new entries and manage the settings. This
is a usability feature which I would personally weight higher than
speeding up the caching.
> >
> > Regards
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > Allen Gilliland wrote:
> >
> >> I know I have brought this up before and I don't remember how it
was received, but in any case I'm going to bring it up again. Would
anyone be opposed to the idea of removing the set of edit links that
we embed into weblog pages? I think the reasons to do this are many ...
> >>
> >> 1. It would *significantly* simplify the page rendering process
to not have to deal the issue of rendering things differently if the
weblog owner is logged in. I believe there is a fair amount of logic
that goes into the models/macros/rendering to deal with this situation
which could all be removed.
> >>
> >> 2. I consider this feature minimally useful. I don't see why a
weblog author would browser their site to look for things to edit
rather than just logging into the "editing" interface and doing their
work their.
> >>
> >> 3. This feature is only ever of benefit to a single person, the
weblog author. We add a fair amount of extra logic just so that these
pages can be rendered to benefit a single person :/
> >>
> >> 4. This would never work in a statically rendered site.
> >>
> >> As far as I am concerned this feature requires way more overhead
than it's worth. If we rip it out we simplify a number of things ...
> >>
> >> 1. we can remove all elements of models and macros which perform
any logic based on a users login status. this would simplify a number
of models and macros.
> >>
> >> 2. we can simplify our caching because the cache no longer needs
to know if the user is logged in or not and render/cache those pages
separately. this reduces the size of the cache (possibly
significantly on large sites) and eliminates unnecessary redundancy.
> >>
> >> So, my opinion is pretty obvious. I think this is a feature
which can safely be removed and will do some very good things to
simplify a number of aspects of weblog rendering.
> >>
> >> Thoughts? Opinions?
> >>
> >> -- Allen
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
