Oh. I must have missed the discussion about not supporting spaces in tags
because I would at least have made an attempt to convince people to support
spaces in tags.
It comes up for tags like "modern art" that are not really meaningful to
separate.
Regarding Elias's proposal, I initially felt against it, because I'd rather
use real spaces in the tags. That's still the case, but less so, because I
did a quick Technorati sampling, and there already seems to be a sizable
rift between the true space users and the underscore users.
So for example Technorati lists 494 posts using "modern_art" compared to 981
using "modern art" and differences in the thousands for "george bush"
compared to "george_bush", with the latter tag far in the lead.
--a.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elias Torres" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Apache Roller 3.1RC1 (incubating) ready for testing
Allen Gilliland wrote:
Anil Gangolli wrote:
I installed 3.1RC1 on my dev box. Seemed to be clean using a fresh db
installation and 3.0 required-jars package.
I was trying the tag-related functionality out and I see a few issues:
(1) The tag entry field on the entry edit page uses space separation
and doesn't seem to accomodate tags that include spaces. I tried
quoting with double-quotes; that didn't seem to work.
Yes, that is the expected behavior. We talked about this when we were
evaluating the tags proposal and decided that most sites seem to be
using the solution that we have, where tags cannot be multi word phrases.
I now have a requirement at IBM to support spaces with the following
caveat. If you enter "elias is cool" it will be stored as elias_is_cool.
In other words, we support it as an input (double quotes) but we don't
store it that way. Are you guys cool with it?
-Elias
(2) The user guide link in the JSP footer seems to point off to an old
2.x guide. I was looking for and couldn't find the documentation in
the 3.1 guides on the various forms of URLs, specifically I was
looking to test the tag-based URLs. I know I've seen it somewhere,
but I can't remember where.
Hmm. For the user guide I think it would be nice if these kinds of
links pointed to urls within the app, like /roller-ui/docs/*, for user
documentation about the current app version.
I may also take this opportunity to throw out an idea I had a little
while ago for documentation that was related to this. It seems to me
that since blogging is supposed to website publishing made easy then one
of the key components of a really mature blog system would be good
documentation throughout the application. I haven't been a big
documentation contributor in the past, but I think that's more because I
felt the app needed more work and less docs at the time. Now that the
app is getting more and more mature it may be time to consider a nice
solution for providing rich documentation.
So what I had been thinking about was a way where we could write all of
our documentation in small and easily reusable components, possibly in
xml, which we could easily use to either 1) provide a full help guide
document (aka user guide) or 2) take bits and pieces of the docs and be
able to insert them directly into the appropriate pages.
So for example, if a user is on the 'Templates' page and is working on
customizing their blog then we could have some documentation hooks which
provide contextual help info like ...
1. what is this page for?
2. what can i do on this page?
3. how do i use this page?
4. what do each of the fields on this page mean?
5. how does this affect my blog?
So for the 'Templates' page the top of the page may provide quick links
which give a couple paragraphs of text explaining what the page is for
and what you do on the page. Then you have the large text area where
you can modify your templates which could have a little tool tip icon
next to it which would tell the user what that field is for. Then
possibly at the bottom of the page we include a quick reference sheet of
the models and macros to help users while they are authoring templates.
One of the things that I think Roller has been hurting on is usability
and in my mind of the most important elements of usability when it comes
to web tools is contextual documentation. I think doing something like
this could really help make Roller a more user friendly blogging system.
(3) Tags don't seem to be displayed anywhere in the "basic" theme at
all. Shouldn't we update this to show tags on entries, including an
actual rel tag ?
I think there may not have been any real consensus about whether or not
to promote tags in the themes since in many cases users may not be using
tags.
(4) I couldn't get anything to show up in the "Hot Tags" area of the
front page. Haven't investigated what is happening yet; this may be
my own problem.
Dunno about that one.
-- Allen
--a.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 5:57 PM
Subject: Apache Roller 3.1RC1 (incubating) ready for testing
Thank you and yes, I meant 3.1.
With releasing 3.1, re-releasing 2.3.1 and working on 3.2 I've got a
couple
too many versions floating around in my head.
- Dave
On 11/20/06, Jeffrey Blattman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
did you mean 3.1 RC1, or are we skipping 3.1?
Dave wrote:
> I've merged all applicable bug fixes from trunk to the roller_3.1
> branch and prepared a first release candidate for the 3.1 release.
You
> can find the release files and latest 3.1 docs here:
>
> http://people.apache.org/~snoopdave/apache-roller-3.1/
>
> Here's the What's New in Roller 3.1 page:
> http://rollerweblogger.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Roller_3.1_WhatsNew
>
> Release candidates are for testing purposes only.
>
> Please help out. The sooner you download, test and report bugs the
> sooner we'll be able to fix them and get the release out. So please
> help out the project and take RC1 for a spin.
>
> - Dave
