Hi Henken,
Thanks for your reply. I'm not surprised, but you did get me very worried!!
>From the first moment I started using Rose (1 1/2 years ago), I was very
surprised to see the way the model is stored. How can you possible be able
to ensure a robust environment for your model when using a standard flat
textfile to store the model in !!!!
I tend to call these "features" in Rose the "Microsoft syndrome": Nice and
fancy and very userfriendly on the outside.....pretty shaky on the inside.
Do you know anything about the "new policy" in the remake of Rose 2001 ?
So, what do you recomend regarding Rose and multiuser environment? Most of
the time the Visual Source Safe-addin seems to work fine, but if we risk
loosing data, I don't know wether it is worth it. What is the alternative ?
Regards
Arne Styve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henk Rippen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 15. november 2000 09:55
> To: Arne G. Styve
> Subject: AW: (ROSE) M in a circle??
>
>
>
> Hi !
>
>
> This a a very painfull problem for Rational.
> In some situations the usage of controlled units may
> cause the loss of modeling data....
>
>
> All modeling items ( Classes, Associations etc ) are RoseItems
> The visualization of items in diagrams is done with RoseItemViews.
> ( see the REI / Rose Meta Model )
>
> The (M) appears on RoseItemViews in situations where the
>
> - the RoseItem for the RoseItemView points to is not loaded ( that is not
> critical )
> - the RoseItem was renamed ( is very bad ! )
> - the RoseItem was deleted ( can get critical )
>
> Some of the topics are known at Rational ( caseIDs, Technotes, defects )
>
> I have some very ugly "discussions" with Rational on this.
> In some situations with multiplecontrolled units, you may
> even see that rose is not able to relate information
> from different controlled units.
>
> Rational will do a complete redesign of Rose in 2001, so
> probably you will have a fix for this Q3 2001 ????
>
> In the next weeks, Rational promised to create an add-in which
> works around some of the risks of loosing data.
>
> Please BE VERY CAREFULL USING ROSE IN MULTIUSER environments with
> Config Management !!!!
>
> If you need more information how to avoid loss of modeling data
> in such environments, don't hesitate to send me a mail !
>
>
> Henk Rippen
>
>
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.rippen.de
>
>
> -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von Arne G. Styve
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. November 2000 09:21
> An: rose_forum@Rational. Com
> Betreff: RE: (ROSE) M in a circle??
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> You're quite right in yor answer Todd.
>
> However, I've got a small challange for you and the rest of the Rose forum
> (maby it turns out not to be a chalange at all...)
>
> I too get the (M)'s in one of my diagrams. We have a large model which is
> configuration managed using Visual Source Safe from Microsoft.
> The class in
> question is stored in one controlled unit, while the diagram is stored in
> another. When the modell is loaded, including loading all
> subunits, on this
> one diagram, the class comes up with the famous (M), including
> the relations
> to other classes.
> I've tried reloading both packages/units (the one holding the
> class and the
> one holding the diagram) without getting rid of the (M).
> The only way to get rid of the (M)'s is to check out the unit
> containing the
> diagram. If I then check the unit in again, the (M)'s are gone.
> However the
> next time I load the model, the (M)'s appeare as usual.... This
> doesn't make
> sence at all. Especially since it's only this one class in this
> one diagram
> that behaves like this...
>
> Any ideas what might be wrong ?
>
> Regards
>
> Arne Styve
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Todd Dunnavant
> > Sent: 14. november 2000 15:35
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: (ROSE) M in a circle??
> >
> >
> >
> > The M in the circle means that one or more items involved in
> the relation
> > is not in memory. You can get rid of the M by loading the
> controlled unit
> > that contains the subject model element.
> >
> > Todd Dunnavant
> > Technical Lead
> > Texas/Oklahoma Geographic District
> > Rational Software Corporation
> > voice: 281-499-8789
> > fax: 281-499-6293
> > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff James
> > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 2:52 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: (ROSE) M in a circle??
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm sure this has been asked a miliion times but I didn't see it
> > anywhere.....
> > What does the M in a circle mean on a relationship?
> > Where in the Rat Rose documentation can I read about it?
> > How do you get rid of it?
> > Cheers,
> > Jeff
> >
> > --
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> > Jeffrey James, Sr Design Engineer
> > Tait Electronics Ltd.
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