Hi Olaf,

<<However, for all those who on principle say no to the need for use cases 
"Login" or "Logout", it's interesting that Rational teaches the use of a 
"Login" use case in their training courses material (the "Course 
Registration System)>>

I believe the issue has to do with use case goal levels. While performing 12 
consecutive logins offers no "user-level goal" value to an actor, login 
behavior is still necessary for enabling most user-level goals. Login use 
cases for most businesses are really at the subfunction goal level (just 
beneath sea-level, but not clam-level for readers of Alister Cockburn). Of 
course if your business is developing operating systems that's another 
matter!

Richard Howlett
Component Software Systems Consultant
Phone: (613) 954-7743
Fax: (613) 952-7869
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>From: "M�nnig, Olaf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "M�nnig, Olaf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: (ROSE) Logon and Logout Use Case
>Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:53:46 +0200
>
>
>I think it depends on the system, and if a use case "Login" is essential,
>you should design it.
>
>However, for all those who on principle say no to the need for use cases
>"Login" or "Logout", it's interesting that Rational teaches the use of a
>"Login" use case in their training courses material (the "Course
>Registration System")...
>
>
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 4:10 PM
> >  To: Styve, Arne
> >  Cc: Jie Zhao; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> >  Subject: RE: (ROSE) Logon and Logout Use Case
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  There is a school of thought that says these two items
> >  should NOT be use cases.
> >
> >  Use cases should make a case for using the system.  I
> >  typically don't use a
> >  system to login or logout, I want to get something of value
> >  from the system.
> >  Many times, login is shown as a precondition to the other
> >  use-cases.  Granted,
> >  you'll need to acknowledge these in some way, but I don't
> >  know if you would want
> >  to have them as their own use-cases.
> >
> >  Just my two cents worth, but I know there are a lot of
> >  disagreements over this
> >  issue.
> >
> >  -GLH
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