David,
>From my point of view, it is up to Rational's partners to provide solutions and innovation in the business modeling discipline, for instance, by developing RUP plug-ins targeted to a specific domain. I would look on the RUP Exchange on RDN for specific examples of this. Richard A. Menard Rambyte, Ltd. 508 872 9551 http://www.rambyte.com http://www.rup4stp.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lyalin, David S. Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:03 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 'Andy Winskill'; 'Kesterton, Anthony'; 'Huggins, Michael (Contractor)' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lyalin, David S. Subject: RE: (ROSE) Process Modelling? Responding to several postings: It is not personal. And I agree that Anthony is very instrumental on this forum. It is about specific issues that I raised and Anthony, by my opinion, was not able to answer: > Rational is very vague with Business Modeling issues, its strategy > with the subject (if any) unclear, its positioning of Rose and ReqPro > as business modeling tool is unconvincing. This is my opinion as an active long-time user of the Rational Rose for UML based business modeling. And as such, I am concerned about Rational strategy. I don't think that Anthony in his posting provided anything significant to argue the statement above. Also, I don't see why issues like this have to be discussed off-line and not on these forums. Anthony is a stand-up person, and this is very admirable, but maybe "the right people" from Rational have something to say about it (on-line or off-line)? Regards, David Lyalin -----Original Message----- From: Andy Winskill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 2:51 AM To: 'Lyalin, David S.'; 'Kesterton, Anthony'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: (ROSE) Process Modelling? Hi David, In response to point 1: I think Anthony's was trying to say that he's not going to write complete instructions on how to use Rational's products for process modelling when there's other documentation already available. I don't think Anthony was trying to prevent any discussion of issues with the Rational tool set. In fact Anthony has been instrumental in helping people with "issues" on a number occasions! Cheers, Andy > Lyalin, David S. wrote: > > Anthony, > > Thank you for your lengthy reply. ( Does length contribute to > clarity? :-) ). I would summarize it in a few lines: > 1. You would not recommend to discuss issues with "Rational, > UML, Rose, ReqPro and Business modeling" on this forum. (I > disagree respectfully but strongly. I think that these forums > are exactly for that). 2. UML and Rose/ReqPro is sufficient > for business modeling - based on your experience. (I agree - > this is matches my experience too). 3. You prefer Rational > tools, but other tools may be better for my situation. (I > think that TODAY Rose/ReqPro THE best tools for UML business > modeling. Period. It is very funny to argue with a person > from Rational about this :-) ;-) ) 4. You are not > recommending to use UML in all situations for business > modeling. (I disagree). > > Thank you again. > > David Lyalin ************************************************************************ * Rose Forum is a public venue for ideas and discussions. * For technical support, visit http://www.rational.com/support * * Post or Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Subscription Requests: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Archive of messages: * http://www.rational.com/support/usergroups/rose/rose_forum.jsp * Other Requests: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To unsubscribe from the list, please send email * To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Subject: <BLANK> * Body: unsubscribe rose_forum ************************************************************************ * ************************************************************************ * Rose Forum is a public venue for ideas and discussions. * For technical support, visit http://www.rational.com/support * * Post or Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Subscription Requests: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Archive of messages: * http://www.rational.com/support/usergroups/rose/rose_forum.jsp * Other Requests: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To unsubscribe from the list, please send email * To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Subject: <BLANK> * Body: unsubscribe rose_forum *************************************************************************
