On Tuesday 15 August 2006 1:03 pm, you wrote:

> * rearrange parameter boxes from track/segment/instrument to
> segment/instrument/ track -- let's see what people say

I say boo.

It's actually segment/track/instrument here.

This strikes me as wrong, because I'm staring at an empty composition here, 
and the first thing I want to do is tweak this track for what it's about to 
do.  The next thing I want to do is tweak the instrument to get it to make 
some appropriate noises.  (Or not, I haven't had my speakers on throughout 
this whole latest round of work, in truth.)  Then only after I have drawn or 
recorded a segment do I care about the segment parameters.

Of course, now I load an old composition, and my perspective changes.  What 
I'd rather have on top has changed along with my purpose.

Perhaps you are trying this new arrangement as your response to the same 
unease I feel about having to diddle the tabs constantly.  I think I 
understand what you're on about.  You have the same thorn under your skin, 
and this was your attempt to do something about it.  I don't really like the 
result, I must say.  I don't like the tabs either.  They annoy me.  I despair 
of ever getting used to them.

I would use the non-tabbed mode if Pedro hadn't hidden my widgets from that 
mode.  I understand why he did so.  He wrote the TPB as a place to put the 
widgets that he left in place, and was probably shocked as hell that I 
immediately hijacked it as a place to put my stuff.  I don't think he 
realized how worked up I got as soon as he mentioned the idea of implementing 
a TPB, or that I had been waiting for years to have a TPB in order to have 
the place I always felt was the correct home for those old ideas, suggested 
by a user, but adopted by me as my own with great enthusiasm.  I just never 
was quite willing to go off and implement a TPB in the first place, because I 
was afraid you would crap all over it, and I would probably defer to the 
Keeper of the Sacred Vision and remove it.

Anyway, I've thought about this at far greater length than what I have trimmed 
this message down to.  The root of this, from my seat, is that Rosegarden is 
different things to different people.  Pedro has different needs, and wants 
different widgets close at hand.  If I ever use his new TPB widgets for 
anything, I will not do so with any frequency.  I would much rather dump 
those to the tab view and put my own stuff there in its place.

We also have the controller problem that started this whole ball rolling.  I 
don't even use controllers anymore.  I used to use controllers to make a fake 
guitar sound more real, but now I just record a real guitar, etc.  I will 
never need more controllers than we used to have, and shuffling all of this 
around in order to accommodate something I have absolutely no use for is 
pretty silly.

So what I'm getting at, ultimately, is that I'd like to be able to control 
what shows and what hides in a KConfig-urable way, and customize my one panel 
with the widgets I actually use.

I'd also like to just be able to scroll the damn things.  I know Pedro hates 
that idea, but I'd rather have everything in one place I can scroll where I 
want it than have to tab tab tab tab tab with these FREAKING tabs to get to 
my controls.

Yes.  I DETEST the FREAKING tabs.

(But I can live with the tabs if I have to.  In which case, I say 
track/instrument/segment is the way to stack them.  Putting segment first is 
going to be right less often in my use cases than putting track first.)

-- 
D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre  ----   Silvan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek;  registered Linux user #243621

Author of Rosegarden Companion http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/

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