I don't think there are MIDI standard events for everything, because I know you can't use a guitar or guitar-like instrument to input MIDI. Well, I saw a machine a long time ago, but you couldn't play the guitar like a guitar, if that makes sense. For instance, no bends.
On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 11:49 PM, david <gn...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: > That is a great analogy. > > I would also say that music notation is fundamentally visual, not audio > or sequential. Musicians reading a score aren't necessarily going "note > by note" anymore than the typical person reading text reads "letter by > letter". I guess sequencers aren't quite up to the human visual system's > powerful processing! > > Perhaps another limitation regarding scoring sequencer music are the > limitations of MIDI? Are there MIDI standard events for everything a > music score can convey? > > On 04/08/2016 06:30 AM, Silas Mortimer wrote: >> That makes a lot of sense. >> >> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsut...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> As I already said this is really a bit of a conundrum.... >>> I think a good analogy would be imagine writing in a word processor >>> (e.g. Writer) or typesetting system (e.g. Latex) VS. trying to feed what >>> you wrote to a Text To Speech (TTS) engine/system able of rendering the >>> text you write as if it were a professional actress. >>> >>> Feed plain text to a text to speech and it will sound like... well text >>> to speech, if you want to add articulations etc. you have to 'break' the >>> plain text with some sort of semantics (markup), or invest a lot in some >>> sort of interpretation engine which can also do linguistic analysis. >>> >>> That kind of thing gets magnitudes more complicated with music.. >>> >>> But after all, notation is really made for humans, while the matrix >>> editor (or even the event list editor) is much more similar (if still >>> high-level) to what you would feed to a machine (by the way the matrix >>> editor is called "piano roll" in some applications for a reason, so >>> 'machine' is not necessarily a computer). >>> >>> Well well always very interesting discussions on the RG mailing list :) >>> >>> On 08/04/2016 15:19, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >>>> On 04/07/2016 07:04 PM, Silas Mortimer wrote: >>>> >>>>> If I might ask, because I've been wondering about this, what makes >>>>> doing notation so difficult? >>>> >>>> I think the root of it is because notation is a very analog, >>>> infinitely-variable kind of thing that is difficult to represent and >>>> manipulate in an orderly digital world. >>>> >>>> I have probably over 1,000 pages of commercially published sheet music >>>> for various instruments sitting around in my house, and it probably >>>> wouldn't take me 30 seconds to find a score that Rosegarden can't be >>>> used to reproduce. It would probably take me more on the order of 30 >>>> minutes to find a score that Rosegarden CAN reproduce exactly like the >>>> original, with no compromises. I would probably have to pull that out >>>> of some basic band method book too. >>>> >>>> Notation is difficult, because of the amount of effort that would be >>>> required to address any random one of a hundred different scenarios I >>>> could come up with that Rosegarden doesn't know how to handle. >>>> >>>> Kneed beams. How the hell would we ever make kneed beams work without >>>> seriously rethinking everything from the ground up? I have utterly no >>>> idea. >>>> >>>> Anacrusis is something I've banged on off and on for years, and we still >>>> can't really handle it probably, or get it exported to LilyPond >>>> properly. Close, but not really a cigar. I have a trumpet method book >>>> with 1,000 pages of stuff Rosegarden can't handle. It's basic, common >>>> stuff that's hard to work out how to achieve in a notation editor >>>> grafted onto a MIDI sequencer. >>>> >>>> After 15 years of this, I could go on for days, Silas. Doing notation >>>> on top of a sequencer is borderline insanity, but it's a crazy kind of >>>> fun to challenge the limits of what is possible, even if it isn't smart >>>> or practical. >>>> >>>> The true notation editors like MusE Score and Finale (they work directly >>>> with notes and lines and staffs instead of MIDI) have an easier time >>>> with a great many of these problems, but they face their own nightmares. >>>> Those things are especially weak when it comes to rendering imperfect >>>> human performances on a page. I've seen absolutely nothing on any >>>> platform in close to 30 years of computer music that could produce a >>>> playable sheet of music without a considerable amount of fiddling around >>>> to tweak all the glitches. >>>> >>>> I'm pretty sure if that magic button could be written, it would be on >>>> the market by now, and would probably cost $10,000 a copy. > > > -- > David W. 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