Hi Danny, 

|> I know that the internal tables are always a pain, but since 
|we have  
|> to deal
|> with the global issues, the internal, private growth (self- 
|> inflicted ;-) has
|> to necessarily be out of scope for RRG.
|
|That's quite odd to me, considering by today's definitions
|"internal [BGP] tables" are where the routing scalability and
|stability are it's worst - today, and unquestionably, the first
|place things will break IF/WHEN they do, as a result of an
|inter-domain routing protocol architecture that forces either
|full-mesh or hierarchies such as route reflection that themselves
|introduce additional paths and state in the network (even with
|implicit aggregation effects).


As you point out, this is more to do with the specific protocol than it is
to do with the overall routing architecture.  As such, this is why it's
really much more of the domain of IDR than RRG.

BTW, AFAIK, route reflection _reduces_ the number of paths as compared to
full-mesh IBGP.  Am I missing something?


|And they're not going to break because of a 100k unique
|internal-only routes, they're going to break because of
|an order or magnitude or more paths (and all of their overhead)
|- paths introduced as a result of "global issues" and solutions
|that focus on solely minimizing DFZ size, rather than looking
|at where the problem is actually worst - today.


Paths that are introduced for the sake of traffic engineering are a well
understood and self-inflicted problem.  If those folks that introduced the
extra paths took equivalent interest in limiting their dispersion and
cooperated in filtering unnecessary long prefixes, this could readily be
addressed.  In short, this is not an issue with the fundamental
architecture, it's about how the architecture is being used.  Thus, this is
largely an operational issue.  

Further, if we did something to fundamentally remove the capability to
traffic engineer in the future, I strongly suspect that that would be an
architectural issue, most likely fatal.

Regards,
Tony

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