Assuming that your steps are focused on using DOM Id's what sort of
convention would you use to translate from the narrative of the step to the
DOM id.

Would you avoid the brittleness that "clicks submit link|button" has over "I
submit". Thats me arguing that whether its a link or a button, and whether
the user submits by clicking, pressing enter or barking is not relevant to
the scenario.

2009/1/21 David Chelimsky <dchelim...@gmail.com>

> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:27 AM, aidy lewis <aidy.le...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi David,
> > On 21/01/2009, David Chelimsky <dchelim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>  text on the button that is deemed to have business value, then you
> >>  might say "And I click 'Request Service'" - but if you're referencing
> >>  DOM IDs or HTML element names like 'submit', I'd hide those.
> >
> >  However we could get a lot of re-use in the user steps if we have
> > step definitions like these:
> >
> >  When /^clicks '(+)' link$/ do |text|
> >    browser.link(:text, Regexp.new(value)).click
> >  end
> >
> >  When /^clicks '(+)' button$/ do |text|
> >    browser.button(:value, Regexp.new(value)).click
> >  end
> >
> >
> >  When clicks 'Submit' link
> >  When clicks 'Submit' button
> >  When clicks 'New' link
> >  When clicks 'New' button
>
> The important part of what I was saying was to avoid hidden elements
> (DOM IDs and element names). If the label that is visible in the
> browser says "Submit", then this is OK IMO.
>
> >  I personally don't think it is a crime for the tester to change the
> > acceptance steps  as long as the 'user' can  easily follow the
> > narrative.
>
> Don't worry, you're not under arrest. At least not for this transgression
> :)
>
> >  A lot of the other user-steps could be wrapped-up in a more
> > 'declarative' fashion.
> >
> >  Aidy
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