I don't remember anybody ever insinuating that he had relations with other women prior to her going into this state. Maybe it's in that essay somewhere, but even if it is, it is not material to the subject. It makes no difference.
I also don't totally understand this idea that people are politicizing this for their agenda. I just don't buy into that. I know a lot of people from all across the political spectrum and their opinions on this subject definitely do not fall along red state/blue state lines. I just don't see it at all. Whether there are "holes" in this essay or not is not the question. It was apparently written by a guy who shares your opinion, but he has brought up a lot of interesting points and it was presented here for that purpose only. I just simply never want to err on a side that is irreversable and there is nothing more irreversable than death. If a court wrongly convicts and imprisons an innocent person, then his time in jail can never be returned to him, but his freedom henceforth can. There are a lot of questions that need to be answered, and what it boils down to in my opinion, is that due to the actions of the husband, we cannot trust his word, therefore we have to make assumptions. As I said earlier, I would never assume something that is irreversible. >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Behalf Of Richard Reeves >Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:53 PM >To: RTF@rolltidefan.net >Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News >DayInFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) > > >Well Tim, > > There are quite a few holes in this essay. This is >exactly what I >was talking about? There are people spreading things in regards to >this case >that are half truths or out it out lies. First, it has been proven that he >did not have relations with other women until she was in her veg. state. >Second, the court experts ruled that her veg state "was due to her heart >stopping and the lack of oxygen being supplied to her brain". The cases of >abuse have been gone through by the courts and have been proven no such >abuse has occurred. So, where do we go from here? I can say that >most people >that I have talked to say that they would not want to be kept >alive by these >means. I myself am included. Her parents have recently stated that she is >being abused and mistreated by hospice. In order for hospice to >accept you, >you have to be diagnosed as "Terminal". These reports have also been found >out to be false. I have come to believe that the parents will say and do >whatever it takes to keep Terri alive. Even Lie! I feel for both of them >but, I have not heard the Husband say one bad thing about her parents. For >15 years her parents could have paid for her medical treatment. Have they? >No! The citizens of the state of Florida and her Husband have been doing >that. I feel for both of them but, I feel that Terri would not want to be >kept like she is in her current condition. What is life. She has no brain >activity, she doesn't feel pain and now there are propagand being spred >through the news she spoke up and didn't want her feeding tube pulled. >Please, give me a break. The woman hasn't said it on either of the first 2 >attempts the tube was removed. So, why now? Because, here is >someone trying >to push there own agenda. Let this woman rest in piece! She has >been made a >political pawn. Period! > > >Richard > >>From: "Tim Boozer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion >>List<RTF@rolltidefan.net> >>To: "RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion >>List"<RTF@rolltidefan.net> >>Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day >>InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) >>Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:24:24 -0500 >> >>Actually Richard, you and Pat appear to be of like mind. >> >>I am going to repost an essay that I received off-list that seems to take >>an >>objective view of the situation. I have always suspected this husband is >>not >>what he is cracked up to be. Now, I suspect it even more. This is long, >>but >>worth the read. >> >>--------------------------------------------------- >> >>Life Through A Tube? >> >>by Techniguy 03-19-2005 >> >>For the past week now, the news and talk media have been dominated daily, >>with one or two exceptions, by one story; the removal of Terri Schiavo’s >>feeding tube. With the information being presented by the media, I found >>myself at odds with the mainstream Republicans and the view of the >>Conservatives who have taken this issue all the way to the Superior count >>and the President of the United States. I have always believed that it’s >>just wrong to keep someone alive with artificial means when their time has >>come to go whether it‘s by natural causes or artificial. I still believe >>that but there were questions in the Schiavo case that needed answering. >> >>The media turned this into a circus of ideological and moral issues with >>views from both sides of the question, but really hadn’t given us enough >>information to understand what is really going on. All we really knew was >>that Terri was in a vegetative state with irreversible brain damage >>resulting from a heart attack 15 years ago and her husband, >Michael Schiavo >>wants the feeding tube removed as it was Terri’s wish, or so he >says. There >>have been plenty of discussions regarding the legal issues involved, and >>who >>is right and who is wrong, but we’ve learned little more from them. >> >>I have been thinking about writing this article for a couple of days now >>which I knew would be controversial with most of my readers, but the way I >>saw it, no one would want to be kept alive in Terri’s condition, >and as her >>Husband, Michael is really the only person who has the legal right to >>decide >>the issue. It was bad enough that Terri’s parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, >>had been waging a seven year court battle to fight against the rights of >>the >>husband, but then when the Florida State Legislature, the >Governor, and the >>Federal Government started getting involved in this, It seemed it >was going >>too far. The law is the law, and the law says that Michael Schiavo has the >>right to have the feeding tube removed, so obey the law and grant him that >>right. Right? It turns out that the issue just isn’t that simple. >> >>I am not going to try to support either side of the feeding tube issue >>here, >>but rather provide some information that you may not have seen in the news >>reports. I still believe that the Federal Government has no more business >>getting involved in this than they have getting involved in steroid use in >>baseball, it’s not their job or any of their business in either case. The >>government simply has no right interfering in family business. However, >>there is another issue here that may be government business, what if >>Michael >>Schiavo is responsible for Terri’s condition? >> >>Does Michael Schiavo want Terri dead for her sake or for his own? Some say >>it’s for money but I don’t believe that’s the case. In November 1992, her >>husband, Michael, won a medical malpractice lawsuit after claiming that >>doctors failed to diagnose the chemical imbalance that caused the heart >>attack. The court awarded approximately $1.3 million in damages with >>$300,000 to Michael for his loss and another $700,000 to Michael for >>Terri’s >>guardianship and care. Schiavo claims the money has been used to fund >>therapy for Terri and only about $50,000 remains in her fund. World Net >>Daily has reported, Attorney and Director of Florida Right to Die, George >>J. >>Felos has been paid some $358,000 from the fund and Schiavo's other >>attorney >>reportedly received $80,000. Schiavo added that there is no life insurance >>policy on Terri's life and stressed he stands to gain nothing financially >>from her death. Mr. Schiavo is financially sound in his own business and >>has >>even turned down a $1 million offer to transfer custody of Terri to her >>parents and walk away. He doesn’t need or want the money. For >him, it’s not >>about money yet he refuses to allow Terri’s parents to take responsibility >>for her care and divorce himself from the situation altogether. Why? >> >> >>According to the record based on statements by Mr. Schiavo, and supported >>by >>a decision by Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George W. Greer, Terri had told >>Michael that she wouldn’t want to be kept alive in an incapacitated >>condition by artificial means. In late 1991, 1½ years after Terri’s >>collapse, Michael Schiavo became involved in an intimate relationship with >>Cindy Shook. The romance continued for approximately one year. >Unwilling to >>come forward because of her immense fear of Schiavo, Cindy had to be >>subpoenaed and was then subsequently deposed on May 8, 2001 to try and >>learn >>more regarding her intimate knowledge of Michael Schiavo’s character >>traits. >>Cindy said Schiavo got angry when asked questions about Terri >saying: "this >>had destroyed his life and he was being robed of a normal life." >> >>When asked about Terri’s medical care and being kept alive, according to >>Cindy Shook, Michael Schiavo said, "How the hell should I know we never >>spoke about this, my God I was only 25 years old. How the hell should I >>know? We were young. We never spoke of this." But Michael says that Terri >>had expressed her wishes to him regarding this during court >proceedings. He >>is not being consistent. >> >>Carole Lieberman, M.D., M.P.H., Psychiatrist and expert medical witness, >>and >>the author of the book, “Bad Boys: Why We Love Them, How to Live with Them >>and When to Leave Them“, was quoted as saying, "I have studied men who >>exhibit pathology in their relationships with women. Profiles of >the twelve >>different types of bad boys are explained. Michael Schiavo fits the >>profile, >>described in the book as the Prince of Darkness. Michael Schiavo >was likely >>to have known that Terri had begun making plans to divorce him, since she >>had told a coworker and family member. Stalking is characteristic of this >>type of man, as well. And a girlfriend of Michael’s, Cindy, accused him of >>stalking her in 2001." >> >> >>Cindy Shook described Schiavo’s possessiveness this way: "he’s very >>jealous. >>He stalked me at my… at where I worked after I stopped dating… when he >>would >>get mad at me he would tell me, I would rather be laying in bed in the >>nursing home with her than with you. I mean he can be the most incredibly >>mean person" When asked if she were afraid that Michael would physically >>harm her or if he would harm children. "I am concerned about retaliation >>because I have a child -I have children and a husband. I know him, I know >>what he told me I said he could be a very mean person." >> >>She spoke of how Schiavo stalked her for close to a year after the breakup >>and that she received repeated phone calls. "He came on the floor looking >>for me several times”. I felt it was out of character for him to get a job >>as an orderly at the hospital That was concerning to me. When he >would come >>up to the floor looking for her she was not scared the first time >but later >>was scared. “In town I would look up when I was driving…not at my work” - >>she would look up in the rear view mirror and there would be Michael >>Schiavo. “I would look up and he would be behind me in traffic”. It >>continued for several months after he didn’t work at the hospital. She >>would >>change lanes, try to make a turn and he would do the same. He did this >>about >>ten times. “One time he was behind me in traffic he got next to me in a >>two-lane going the same way, and he changed lanes basically right >on top of >>where I was at, and I had to swerve not to be hit. I had to swerve off the >>road. Michael ran me off the road. I considered it as stalking, dangerous >>and guessed potentially life threatening." They discussed marriage. She >>said Schiavo asked what would you do if I asked you to marry me. He never >>discussed getting a divorce. >> >>"In June of 1993, eight months after he got the malpractice >money, he tried >>to kill Terri by withholding antibiotics needed to treat an infection. >>There >>was $800,000 in the fund at the time”, Terri’s brother Bobby >Schindler told >>World Net Daily. According to court records, the caregivers at the nursing >>home overruled Schiavo's order and treated Terri for her infection. As >>additional "proof" that he's not in the legal battle for the >money, Schiavo >>told Larry King he offered three times to donate the money to charity two >>years ago. But Bobby Schindler called it a "hollow offer." "The offer came >>with the stipulation that my parents agree to let my sister starve to >>death. >>Why would we let her starve to death?". >> >>According to Schiavo, he heard a "thud" in the hall at 4:30 a.m. and got >>out >>of bed to find his wife lying face down on the floor. Schiavo said he >>rolled >>her over and saw she was "lifeless" and called 911. "If Michael rolled her >>over, then he rolled her back," Schindler told World Net Daily. "He has >>also >>stated [in other interviews] that when I showed up he was cradling her in >>his arms. Now he's changing his story?" According to Schindler, Schiavo >>called Robert Schindler first, who then alerted Bobby because he lived in >>the same apartment complex as his sister, and then called 911. Bobby >>Schindler said when he arrived on the scene, Terri was face down with her >>arms underneath her and her hands up by her neck. "It's etched in >my mind," >>said Schindler, adding that he heard a "gurgling or snoring sound" coming >>from Terri. Schiavo has declined to answer where he would be willing to >>take >>a lie detector test regarding the events of that night. >> >>It is Michael Schiavo’s contention that Terri suffered a heart attack as >>the >>result of a potassium imbalance likely due to bulimia. But Michael Baden, >>who is co-director of the Investigative Unit of New York State Police in >>Albany and former chief medical examiner for New York City, ruled out >>potassium imbalance and a heart attack as factors in Terri's mysterious >>collapse 13 years ago – which left her severely incapacitated and >unable to >>speak – and pointed to head trauma and bone injuries as a more likely >>cause. >>Baden said he studied a bone scan made in March 1991 at a rehabilitation >>facility that describes Terri as having a head injury: "That's why she's >>there, that's why she's getting a bone scan." "A head injury can ... lead >>to >>the vegetative state that Ms. Schiavo is in now," he continued, adding the >>scan showed evidence of other injuries, bone fractures in her thigh, lower >>back, ribs and both ankles. >> >>Coupled with medical records that indicated Terri was admitted to the >>hospital the night of her collapse with a "suspiciously rigid neck" which >>two physicians described as being consistent with attempted strangulation, >>prompted the Schindlers to seek an investigation of the 1990 >collapse. Amid >>strenuous objection from Felos, Greer ruled against such a probe. Bobby >>Schindler said the refusal to investigate Terri's collapse casts doubt on >>Schiavo's assertion he still loves his wife. "The broken bones got there >>somehow," he said. "It seems to me if I were her husband I would want to >>find out what happened to her." In the interview with Larry King, Schiavo >>addressed the strangulation testimony by asking why her neck was not >>bruised >>and her trachea damaged. I have asked the same question. >> >>If these injuries were evident during the medical examination at the >>hospital, then why was there no investigation into the prospect of assault >>and spousal abuse? Why were Felos and Greer covering for Schiavo? Judge >>Greer has ruled that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state (PVS). This >>ruling was necessary under Florida law to allow dehydration. Under Florida >>law, this means that Terri exhibits no voluntary action or cognitive >>behavior of any kind and is unable to communicate or interact purposely >>with >>the environment. >> >>Hospital nurses Heidi Law, Carla Sauer-Iyer, Carolyn Johnson have been >>ignored and dismissed without hearing; each testified that Michael was >>abusive to Terri and may have attempted to kill her by insulin injection >>and >>attempts to induce pneumonia by turning the thermostat in her room to 64 >>degrees. Within months of the money being deposited in the bank, Michael >>ordered a do-not-resuscitate order placed on Terri's chart. He has also >>repeatedly denied her other forms of medical care, such as treatment for >>infections. In the mid 1990s, according to another nurse's affidavit filed >>under penalty of perjury, Michael was overheard saying things such as, >>"When >>is she going to die," "Has she died yet?" and "When is that bitch going to >>die?" >> >> >>It should be clear by now that Michael Schiavo wants Terri dead, probably >>so >>that she can never tell anyone what really happened that night. Forget >>about >>all the “right to life” and “right to die” rhetoric. The real >questions is; >>if Terri is allowed to starve to death now, will Michael simply be allowed >>to finish what he started 15 years ago? I think this needs further >>investigation before any action is taken by Schiavo but that was done >>yesterday. It wasn’t the first time the feeding tube has been >removed, it’s >>the third. Late last year the tube was removed for six days before it was >>re-inserted. There may be a repeat of this on Monday when the current >>regular judge returns to his court. >> >>Whether Terri lives or dies will make little difference to her. Her life >>ended that night 15 years ago and will never be recovered. They say she is >>“brain dead” but that’s not the case, she is only half brain dead. All of >>her autonomic functions are working but her cerebral cortex is dead which >>is >>the area of the brain that deals with conscious thought and memory. She >>swallows her own saliva but doesn’t seem to be aware of food or water in >>her >>mouth and rarely swallows it. She lives in a dream state with occasional >>moments of lucidness when disturbed. She awakes and responds to stimulus >>but >>has no idea of where she is or what is going on. At times she tries to >>speak >>but can get no further than the first word on occasions. >> >>While being visited by her family and their attorney, she was told “Terri, >>if you can just say ‘I want to live‘, this will all be over“, >according to >>a >>close relative being interviewed on the Sean Hannity Show. >Terri’s response >>was “I waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa”. He said she then continued yelling >>“waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa” until the attendants came in to see what was >>wrong. >> >>Did she really know what she was trying to say? Was she just mocking what >>she had heard like a parrot? Or was she trying to say “I want to die”? >>We’ll >>never know. If it was me, I would not want to live like that, would you? >>It’ >>s not a life, it’s not living. Brain cells do not regenerate, once they >>die, >>they are gone for good. Terri will never recover from this. We have heard >>reports of a woman who, after a head injury, was in a coma for 20 years, >>then suddenly woke up. At times, her condition was very much like Terri’s >>with apparent moments of consciousness but she was not there. One day she >>just came out of it and now lives a normal life. The difference is that >>half >>her brain did not die, but rather was in shock for all that time. In Terri >>Schiavo’s case, the brain cells are dead and will never work again. What >>the >>world needs to know now is what part Michael Schiavo played in Terri’s >>condition, if any. >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Behalf Of Richard Reeves >> >Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:05 PM >> >To: RTF@rolltidefan.net >> >Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day In >> >Florida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) >> > >> > >> >Pat, >> > I consider myself a Pro-Lifer however, this woman has left me in >> >turmoil. Most people know none of the facts of this case. Only bits and >> >pieces from what the media has gave them. I live in the area and have >> >followed this very closely and feel that this woman would truly want to >>go >> >peacefully. First most don't know how she became "brain dead"! She >> >got this >> >way from her eating dis-order. She was so vain about her vanity >> >that she was >> >starving herself to maintain her appearance. Thus, causing her >> >breathing to >> >stop and lastly her brain damage. Secondly, who would want to lead an >> >existance (not a life) that you were nothing but incoherent veg? Not me! >> > >> > >> >What really disturbs me about this case is a family that has had >> >15 years to >> >prove Terry has brain activity, wanted to live or could have >> >expert testify >> >that she would get better with therapy. Now at the eleventh hour they >>have >> >manipulated or State Government to circumvent the 15 years the courts >>have >> >deliberated this. Even our State Supreme Court. Now it seems that >> >they have >> >even tried to get our Congress involved and thank goodness the >> >courts aren' >> >thaving any of this. You see the family won't let go! The husband has >>been >> >made out to be a total ass and I really feel for him. He has >been offered >> >Millions to walk away and sign custody over to her parents. He has >>refused >> >because, he says he made a promise to Terry and knows what her >wishes. He >> >says, it ain't about the money, only his wife's wishes. I have prayed >>long >> >and hard about this and I feel that my wife knows my wishes better than >>my >> >parents do. She knows that I would never want to exist in this >condition. >> > >> > >> >Richard >> > >> > >> >>From: "Pat Smoot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>Reply-To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion >> >>List<RTF@rolltidefan.net> >> >>To: "RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion >> >>List"<RTF@rolltidefan.net> >> >>Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day In Florida... >> >>[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) >> >>Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:01:17 -0600 >> >> >> >>Surely you people are not advocating that this poor woman be left in a >> >>hospital bed for another 15 years. Her parents are the one that >> >should be >> >>shot. It's shameful. She should have been allowed to die a long >> >time ago >> >>with just a little shred of dignity left. How many of you would really >> >>want this type of survival? How many of you would want your >> >parents to see >> >>you like that for 15 years? How about your children? Why do we feel >>the >> >>need to torture humans when we euthanize animals? >> >> >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Boozer" >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>To: "RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" >> >><RTF@rolltidefan.net> >> >>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 8:37 PM >> >>Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day In Florida... [Fwd: >> >>FNCAlert](non-Bama) >> >> >> >> >> >>>Mike - I had not heard about this till I read your post. I just got >>home. >> >>>This is sick and it apparently took place about 60 miles from >my house. >>I >> >>>really hoped this girl would turn up somehow. I just don't get it. >> >>> >> >>>You're right, Judge Greer, George Felos, and Michael Shiavo will >>someday >> >>>have to answer for their deeds, but none of that helps Terri >> >today. If she >> >>>expressed a wish to die in this situation, why did it take >him so long >>to >> >>>come forward with that information? It doesn't hurt anyone for her to >>be >> >>>allowed to live, why kill her? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>-----Original Message----- >> >>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>>Behalf Of Mike Laborde >> >>>>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 6:58 PM >> >>>>To: RTF@RollTideFan.net >> >>>>Subject: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day In Florida... [Fwd: FNC >> >>>>Alert](non-Bama) >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>Will any RTF'er in Florida please kill this man? A very slow and >> >>>>painful death >> >>>>is preferable but dead is dead. While he is dying, ram a hot poker >> >>>>up his ass >> >>>>repeatedly. >> >>>> >> >>>>While you are at it, Judge George Greer needs a good old fashioned >> >>>>Southern ass >> >>>>whoopin' too. >> >>>> >> >>>>We certainly do have a problem with the judiciary in this country. >> >>>>Many seem to >> >>>>think they are above the law. We need serious reform. >> >>>> >> >>>>Thanks for letting me vent! >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>--- Original Message --- >> >>>>From: "BREAKING NEWS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>>>To: REAKINGNEWS Subscribers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>>>Cc: >> >>>>Sent: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:30:35 -0500 >> >>>>Subject: FNC Alert >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>POLICE: SEX OFFENDER JOHN EVANDER COUEY CONFESSES TO KILLING >> >>>>>JESSICA LUNSFORD >> >>>>> >> >>>>>**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com for more >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>_______________________________________________ >> >>>>RTF mailing list >> >>>>RTF@rolltidefan.net >> >>>>http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >> >>>RTF mailing list >> >>>RTF@rolltidefan.net >> >>>http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>RTF mailing list >> >>RTF@rolltidefan.net >> >>http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >RTF mailing list >> >RTF@rolltidefan.net >> >http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net >> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>RTF mailing list >>RTF@rolltidefan.net >>http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net > > > >_______________________________________________ >RTF mailing list >RTF@rolltidefan.net >http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net > _______________________________________________ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
