Dear Mr Singhal I am somewhat apprehensive about continuing this thread at [RTI_India] since both Dhirendra and Urvashi have opted not to be members here.
The correct term is "PUSH" and not "PESH" PUSH is the converse of PULL. Such quibbling over semantics is important because we also have many members who are from the NGO fraternity and know all about ICT and Web 2.0 etc . I disagree with Mr Krishna. PULL/PUSH are not the 2 aspects to RTI flow. They are the same aspect. Sarbajit --- In [email protected], M K Singhal <mk.sing...@...> wrote: > > Friends > The point raised by Sri Dhirendra is very importnt. We can get info under RTI > Act by PESH (disclosure and dissemination of information by public > authorities under section 4.) and by PULL ( by citizens demanding public > record). > The public authorities were obliged to provide information by Pesh under > section 4 (Suo Motto Declaration) on the various points mentioned therein > within 12o days from the date of promulgation of this act ie by 15 Oc 2005. I > do not know why are members not submitting complaints u/s 18 to CIC/SIC > against PIOs/Heads of Offices of various public departments/offices bringing > out the deficiencies in the information published by them on their websites > for orders and penalty imposition. It is obvious that no application to PIOs > are required in this case and complaint only needs to be submitted direct o > CIC/SIC. I am sure this would result in very good results. > mksinghal > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: M K Singhal <mk.sing...@...> > To: Dhirendra <dhirendra.kris...@...> > Cc: Grp rti4empowerment <[email protected]>; Grp ghaziabad_than > <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, 14 October, 2009 9:59:31 AM > Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: four years of RTI - Time to retrospect & > introspect > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dhirendra <dhirendra.kris...@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 13 October, 2009 3:43:06 PM > Subject: [rti4empowerment] Re: four years of RTI - Time to retrospect & > introspect > > Friends, > > I am happy that Urvashi has raised an important issue: need for introspection > by RTI Activist. I will like to point out an important facet that has not got > adequate attention by RTI activists. > > There are two aspects of information flow under RTI Act PULL ( by citizens > demanding public record)and PESH (disclosure and dissemination of information > by public authorities under section 4.) > > Public authorities are not under pressure from RTI Activist regarding quality > and content of Section 4 dissemination of information. This important of RTI > Act is generally neglected; public authorities can get away with disclosing > routine information, which may be of limited utility from the perspective of > their accountablity to the citizens. > > > Dhirendra Krishna > > --- In [email protected], urvashi sharma <rtimahilamanchup@> > wrote: > > > > > > à> > respected all , > > à> > Its great that the RTI baby is turning 4 , somehow passed playgroup class > > and is now promoted to kindergarten class . Now the responsibilities of the > > activists , the governments , the information commissioners and of course > > the PIOs n AAs are going to increase as this rti baby shall grow àday by > > day . > > à> > We allàhave memories of experiences that are past . Here I quote à> > the ààphrase memoria praeteritorum bonorum ("The past is always > > recalled to be good."). but if this is so with the four yearsââ¬â¢ > > journey of RTI in INDIA ? Even when we rate past events of RTIàmore > > positively than they had actuallyàoccurred, The results are not > > satisfying .The effect appears to be stronger with moderately pleasant > > events and is usually explained as a result of minor annoyances and > > dislikes "fading" from memory dramatically faster than positive situations > > but this is rosy retrospection and not the actual one . > > à> > As activists , the greater responsibility lies on our shoulders to > > introspect if we have performedàour duties and taken our > > responsibilities towards RTI in true perspective of an ideal activist . If > > we have thought on how to develop self help knowledge base to answer > > questions on control, management and understanding self with respect to RTI > > , helping us deal, learn, know and master self in the arena of RTI. > > Its time to self-examine contemplation of our own thoughts, feelings, > > sensations and of course commitments towards RTI . > > à> > There are instances where we are compelled to give a second thought as if > > the movement called RTI has really been carried over by the activists as a > > commitment or they have turned it into a business like many other fields of > > social service. > > à> > Rights are generally Inalienable in nature. The history tells us that > > whenever these rights are given to the common ââ¬" men , the mighty sect > > of the society leaves no stone unturned to deprive the common man ofà> > these rights. Then the common-men unite and this peoplesââ¬â¢ movement > > raises its voice to get its rights back. There have always been moles in > > the society who while showing that they are with the common-men work for > > that mighty sect of the society with the sole aim to fulfill there vested > > interests. Such moles are generally the high profile people of the society > > who have no concern for the common-men . They USE the common-men and > > benefit that sect which is against the common-men . These moles generally > > join the established groups , use their name to gain popularity and then > > take government aid in the name of spreading the RTI though in reality > > their intentions are to spend this money on their own leisure . We have to > > identify all such > moles and > > remove them so that each and every paisa released in the name of RTI , be > >spent on the RTI. > > à> > As RTI enters the fifth year , all individuals , societies , self help > > groups , NGOs , groups of individuals should make their accounts open for > > public to gain confidence of common-men and strengthen the cause called RTI. > > à> > Long live RTI . > > à> > Regards àà> > à-- > > URVASHI SHARMA , > > SOCIAL WORKER > > all india helpline no. - 09235169855 > > @i...@ry@! > > > > > >   Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn > >more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ________________________________ > From cricket scores to your friends. Try the Yahoo! India Homepage! > > > Add whatever you love to the Yahoo! India homepage. Try now! > http://in.yahoo.com/trynew > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
