Dear Vickram You and Satishji have raised some very important issues which I shall attempt to address.
1) The latest "poll" is for voting upon by members of this group only. No "outsourcing". If our members are concerned enough to mobilise votes for their POV it is a healthy development and ensures wider acceptability of the final result /outcome. The reason that polled votes are visible immediately after a member casts his vote is to ensure transparency in the process AND to give an option to change his mind till the poll closes. I can assure you that PRIVACY is maintained and your own vote is secret. 2) This group has evolved (over time) into a "national" group focussed on "Central" RTI. We warmly welcome constant interaction with other Yahoo groups which focus on State issues and RTI implementation there. 3) I think it is very positive if a few important mails from this group are forwarded to other Yahoo RTI groups. I agree that it should not clog up email boxes of members there, but at the end of the day it is for those Moderators (like Ms K Chamraj) to control their group's postings. 4) I agree with Mr Satish that there are actually 3 issues contained in that 1 principle. The question being polled now is simply to discard the principle entirely or to accept it entirely. I am reminded of an old legal proverb "False in one means false in all". Simply put, this means everyone may vote for deletion of the entire principle even if they disagree with just one of its components. Sarbajit --- In [email protected], Vikram Simha <vikramsimh...@...> wrote: > > Dear Moderators of RTI Group, > Thanks for this Mail , So you have oputsourced The Group and its Poll and the > Messages related to the poll to another Yahoo group. Constantly I am > reminding this Group which carries Each and every message in rti_india group > virtually clogging in boxes and repeting all and sundry . When i wrote to > them these moderators stated that it will deprive them and their group > members of Information . > NOW , What are achiving by Posting an Very limited Poll meant for one group > along with Messages Related to that poll . Arguably they may say since we are > members of this Group , you are Depriving our members of the poll also . > Is this not a blunder . > I hope rti_india group Moderators will think of some method's to ensure our > privacy of the poll is retained at least till the Polling period , this is > just like prepoll survey > > N vikramsimha , Trustee RTI Study Centre &KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N > Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004. > > --- On Thu, 29/10/09, Kathyayini Chamaraj <kchama...@...> wrote: > > > From: Kathyayini Chamaraj <kchama...@...> > Subject: [kria] Fwd: [rti_india] New poll for rti_india > To: "kria" <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, 29 October, 2009, 8:29 PM > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Satish Kumar Kapoor <kapoorsatish@ yahoo.com> > Date: Oct 29, 2009 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: [rti_india] New poll for rti_india > To: rti_in...@yahoogrou ps.com > > Hi all > > There are three issues involved in this clause. > > 1) use of RTI to obstruct working of Govt > > 2) Use of RTI to victimise honest officers > > 3) File notings > > 1. Use of RTI to obstruct working of Govt is very tricky issue, every RTI > application seeking information can be termed as " obstructing working of > Govt" particularly where vested interests of corrupt officers are > involved.How group will define, whether particular issue or information > being sought is obstructing work of Govt or not.I CAN FIND EXECUSES AND > ARGUMENTS IN EVERY APPLICATION UNDER RTI ACT, OBSTRUCTING WORKING OF GOVT. > > 2. I agree that RTI should not be used to victimise honest officers. > > 3. File notings are integeral part of decision making disclosure of which > cannot be termed as obstructing working of Govt or victimising honest > officers. > > I thing we can discuss three issues seperatelly and seek voting. > > Satish > ------------ --------- --------- > *From:* "rti_in...@yahoogrou ps.com" <rti_in...@yahoogrou ps.com> > *To:* rti_in...@yahoogrou ps.com > *Sent:* Thu, October 29, 2009 1:12:56 AM > *Subject:* [rti_india] New poll for rti_india > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > rti_india group: > > I vote to delete principle 6 from this group's Code for Ethical RTIers. > > The principle reads as follows: > > "vi) To appreciate that the "Right to Information" ought not to be used > by patriotic citizens so as to obstruct the working of their > Government, or to victimise honest and efficient officers etc. by > allowing access to "file notings"." > > VOTE: YES to delete this clause, NO to retain it, UNDECIDED if no opinion. > > o YES > o NO > o UNDECIDED > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/rti_ india/surveys? > id=12957245<http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/rti_ india/surveys? id=12957245> > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep up with people you care about with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn how. > http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/connectmore >
