Mark Weston wrote in post #949967: > Why should those J2EE guys have all the nice toys? I want my life made > easier too!
Your life is already being made easier by Rails. That sounds snarky on the face of it, but really, what do you want an IDE to do for you with Rails? Very little of the duplicated and generated boilerplate that IDEs are so good at maintaining is necessary in Rails, so IDEs have no real advantage that I can think of, and in my experience they slow everything down. I love IDEs in other contexts, but I do not think they are necessary or desirable for Rails. > > There are reasons why IDEs for RoR haven't all been stellar, one being > that > all that metaprogramming magic must make Rails a really slippery > framework > to build tools for, another the insane pace of change over the last year > or > two. Yup. > And most importantly the problem of competing with free, and > selling > to programmers who are acclimatised to working with open source tools > (thus > the prices for software like RubyMine which in any other market would be > absurdly low). I started playing with RubyMine today. So far I'm unimpressed -- I like the refactoring tools, but everything else looks so much more complicated than in any other IDE or editor -- but I'll try to find the time to give it a fair chance. > > It's one thing to say that IDEs for Rails aren't very good (for reasons > x, y > and z). Another to just generalise that we don't need no stinking IDE. Why do you want an IDE for Rails? What, specifically, do you want it to do for you? > That sounds dangerously close to a kind of programmers' machismo. It's not machismo. It's just a recognition that Rails solves the problems generally solved by IDEs in other (arguably better) ways: by making the actual code simpler! > > Me, personally, I can't get enough automation. Neither can I. But I see no point in introducing complexity where the extra automation doesn't actually help. > Anything my machine can > do > is something I don't have to. Scrolling through an RDoc page for the > 100th > time is a waste of my time if my IDE can remind me of what I'm looking > for > immediately. How does your IDE help with that? > And I most especially want as much debugging help as > possible. How does your IDE help with that? > > Mark Best, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org [email protected] -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
