On 01/09/2010 10:16, Yusuke Yamamoto wrote:
No that is not the way that OSS licensing works. You as the copyright
holder may release future versions of code you hold the copyright for
under different licenses. You cannot retro-actively change the
license of something.
Yeah, you're right on that part.
Red Hat shouldn't be the copyright holder since it's done by my spare
time. There's no term in the employment agreement that enables Red Hat
to grab copyright ownership of employee's work done by unpaid hours.
You are confusing copyright, go seek legal council - maybe Richard?
And as the copyright holder, I do not wish to release my work under
the ASL in the future.
So please remove them from the trunk and do not include in the future
versions.
Either you are incredibly stupid, or just playing dumb to annoy everyone
and waste people's time. I don't think myself or others could have been
any clearer. You cannot retroactive unlicense something. That code which
you have contributed is under the terms of the ASL, FOREVER, you cannot
change that. Under the terms of the ASL we can modify it and distribute
and make derivitives from it in further versions FOREVER.
I have made that clear, your code will not be removed, this matter is
closed and you will achieve nothing more in discussing this further
here. Any further discussions should take place between legally
qualified people.
Now grow up and stop embarassing yourself.
Mark
Thanks,
Yusuke
On Sep 1, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Mark Proctor wrote:
On 01/09/2010 02:50, 山本 裕介 wrote:
At the time of your contributions to Drools and other projects
you were a Red Hat employee. The Red Hat legal department has
determined that it has the right to copy, modify and distribute
your contributions under the Apache License version 2.0 and
considers this matter closed.
Richard didn't explain that.
I didn't use Red Hat time to fix those bugs, translate message
resources. I believe that "I am/was a Red Hat employee" doesn't
matter. I'm not paid for the task.
"At the time the code was contributed in good faith under the Apache
license, you cannot then decide at a later date to change your mind."
My understanding is that people just do not want to undone their
contributions usually. That is how OSS works.
Technically the copyright holder of translated message resources,
program codes is the originator.
I agreed to distribute my work under the ASL, but I didn't tell that
I willingly give away the copyright to the project.
Anybody who originates their work (i.e. the copyright holder) should
be able to decide the license at a later date.
No that is not the way that OSS licensing works. You as the copyright
holder may release future versions of code you hold the copyright for
under different licenses. You cannot retro-actively change the
license of something.
Imagine I release a project under ASL, I get a million users. I then
change my mind and revoke that and tell those million users, you
can't use that under OSS anymore as i've changed my mind, if you want
to use it pay me 10 billion dollars.
You are confusing copyright and licensing, go seek legal council.
Mark
Richard, any comment?
On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Michael Neale wrote:
So is the reason that there is a dispute over another copyright
holder? (ie these changes were copied in violation of that
copyright in the first place) - or a case of changing-minds about
rights to the commits of the original work? (if the latter then
close the issue - nothing can or should be done - as it is a
licencing issue then, not a copyright issue, and as Mark says the
licence doesn't permit that revoking).
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Mark Proctor <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yusuke,
At the time of your contributions to Drools and other projects
you were a Red Hat employee. The Red Hat legal department has
determined that it has the right to copy, modify and distribute
your contributions under the Apache License version 2.0 and
considers this matter closed. If you have any further need to
discuss this please do so with Red Hat legal, - you have their
contact details.
Even if you were not a Red Hat employee, which you were at the
time, you cannot undo an OSS code contribution, that is not how
OSS licensing works. At the time the code was contributed in
good faith under the Apache license, you cannot then decide at
a later date to change your mind. The OSS licenses, be it ASL
or LGPL or GPL, are designed specifically to provide certainty
in that area. Without this level of certainty end user OSS
adoption would be a minefield as every time developers fall
out, which happens often, one could demand all their code be
removed and this would impact everyone who has invested time
installing that software in production systems.
Mark
On 31/08/2010 17:41, 山本 裕介 wrote:
I have consulted RH legal dept. only to get no meaningful
response.
I guess Edson is the one who commit most of these files.
The how and why they need to be uncommitted is attached to the
Jira issue.
Thanks,
Yusuke
On Sep 1, 2010, at 1:34 AM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:
Hi Yusuke, good question. I'm not sure where is the right
place, but you are only asking to rollback your changes right?
who commit all your contributions to the jboss repo?
I also saw that you mention: "For several reasons, I decided
to withdraw those contributions introduced from my spare time. "
can you mention those reasons? so we, as community can learn
why you want to remove your contributions. I'm just curious.
Greetings.
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:50 PM, 山本 裕介
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Where is the appropriate forum for copyright issues?
On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Greg Barton wrote:
> This is not the appropriate forum for copyrighgt issues.
>
> GreG
>
> On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:40, 山本 裕介 <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> There's a copyright violation issue on Drools 5.1 release.
> Please remove the changes listed in the following issue.
> https://jira.jboss.org/browse/JBRULES-2660
>
> Thanks,
> Yusuke
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