Ok. got it. go ahead and include those unwanted changes :) And rollback Constants_ja_JP.properties.
Thanks for feeding me, Yusuke - the troll. On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Michael Neale wrote: > Wrong again: > > 5. Submission of Contributions. Unless You explicitly state otherwise, > any Contribution intentionally submitted for inclusion in the Work > by You to the Licensor shall be under the terms and conditions of > this License, without any additional terms or conditions. > Notwithstanding the above, nothing herein shall supersede or modify > the terms of any separate license agreement you may have executed > with Licensor regarding such Contributions. > > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Yusuke Yamamoto <[email protected]> wrote: > You want to include my works in the future release as derivative works, right? > I understood. Please go ahead and keep redistributing the changes in *.java - > which is declared to be released under the ASL. > > But, please remove the change in > drools-guvnor/src/main/java/org/drools/guvnor/client/messages/Constants_ja_JP.properties > from me. > It's got no license declaration in the file. So I guess I have choice to > decide the license of my work. And I decide not to deliver my changes under > the ASL. > Please understand that it is not permissible for me that Red Hat takes > advantage of my work. > It may sound unconstructive. Yes, it is unconstructive. But this is what my > doctor is suggesting. > Things need to get straighten. > > Cheers, > Yusuke - the troll. > > On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Mark Proctor wrote: > >> On 01/09/2010 11:01, Yusuke Yamamoto wrote: >>> Now I'm not requesting to change the license retroactively. >>> It's okay to keep including my work in the released versions. >>> As the copyright holder, and the originator of the work, I'm just declaring >>> that my work will no longer licensed under the ASL in the future versions. >>> AFAIK, the copyright holder can change the license in the future release. >>> Like oracle changed the license of WebLogic Server from BEA's license to >>> OTN license. >> That is not how it works, end of discussion. >> >> Mark >>> >>>> Any further discussions should take place between legally qualified people. >>> Please have Richard respond to me faithfully. Otherwise I need to request >>> here. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Yusuke >>> >>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Mark Proctor wrote: >>> >>>> On 01/09/2010 10:16, Yusuke Yamamoto wrote: >>>>>> No that is not the way that OSS licensing works. You as the copyright >>>>>> holder may release future versions of code you hold the copyright for >>>>>> under different licenses. You cannot retro-actively change the license >>>>>> of something. >>>>> Yeah, you're right on that part. >>>>> >>>>> Red Hat shouldn't be the copyright holder since it's done by my spare >>>>> time. There's no term in the employment agreement that enables Red Hat to >>>>> grab copyright ownership of employee's work done by unpaid hours. >>>>> You are confusing copyright, go seek legal council - maybe Richard? >>>>> >>>>> And as the copyright holder, I do not wish to release my work under the >>>>> ASL in the future. >>>>> So please remove them from the trunk and do not include in the future >>>>> versions. >>>> Either you are incredibly stupid, or just playing dumb to annoy everyone >>>> and waste people's time. I don't think myself or others could have been >>>> any clearer. You cannot retroactive unlicense something. That code which >>>> you have contributed is under the terms of the ASL, FOREVER, you cannot >>>> change that. Under the terms of the ASL we can modify it and distribute >>>> and make derivitives from it in further versions FOREVER. >>>> >>>> I have made that clear, your code will not be removed, this matter is >>>> closed and you will achieve nothing more in discussing this further here. >>>> Any further discussions should take place between legally qualified people. >>>> >>>> Now grow up and stop embarassing yourself. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Yusuke >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Mark Proctor wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 01/09/2010 02:50, 山本 裕介 wrote: >>>>>>>> At the time of your contributions to Drools and other projects you >>>>>>>> were a Red Hat employee. The Red Hat legal department has determined >>>>>>>> that it has the right to copy, modify and distribute your >>>>>>>> contributions under the Apache License version 2.0 and considers this >>>>>>>> matter closed. >>>>>>> Richard didn't explain that. >>>>>>> I didn't use Red Hat time to fix those bugs, translate message >>>>>>> resources. I believe that "I am/was a Red Hat employee" doesn't matter. >>>>>>> I'm not paid for the task. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "At the time the code was contributed in good faith under the Apache >>>>>>> license, you cannot then decide at a later date to change your mind." >>>>>>> My understanding is that people just do not want to undone their >>>>>>> contributions usually. That is how OSS works. >>>>>>> Technically the copyright holder of translated message resources, >>>>>>> program codes is the originator. >>>>>>> I agreed to distribute my work under the ASL, but I didn't tell that I >>>>>>> willingly give away the copyright to the project. >>>>>>> Anybody who originates their work (i.e. the copyright holder) should be >>>>>>> able to decide the license at a later date. >>>>>> No that is not the way that OSS licensing works. You as the copyright >>>>>> holder may release future versions of code you hold the copyright for >>>>>> under different licenses. You cannot retro-actively change the license >>>>>> of something. >>>>>> >>>>>> Imagine I release a project under ASL, I get a million users. I then >>>>>> change my mind and revoke that and tell those million users, you can't >>>>>> use that under OSS anymore as i've changed my mind, if you want to use >>>>>> it pay me 10 billion dollars. >>>>>> >>>>>> You are confusing copyright and licensing, go seek legal council. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Richard, any comment? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Michael Neale wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So is the reason that there is a dispute over another copyright >>>>>>>> holder? (ie these changes were copied in violation of that copyright >>>>>>>> in the first place) - or a case of changing-minds about rights to the >>>>>>>> commits of the original work? (if the latter then close the issue - >>>>>>>> nothing can or should be done - as it is a licencing issue then, not a >>>>>>>> copyright issue, and as Mark says the licence doesn't permit that >>>>>>>> revoking). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Mark Proctor <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Yusuke, >>>>>>>> At the time of your contributions to Drools and other projects you >>>>>>>> were a Red Hat employee. The Red Hat legal department has determined >>>>>>>> that it has the right to copy, modify and distribute your >>>>>>>> contributions under the Apache License version 2.0 and considers this >>>>>>>> matter closed. If you have any further need to discuss this please do >>>>>>>> so with Red Hat legal, - you have their contact details. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Even if you were not a Red Hat employee, which you were at the time, >>>>>>>> you cannot undo an OSS code contribution, that is not how OSS >>>>>>>> licensing works. At the time the code was contributed in good faith >>>>>>>> under the Apache license, you cannot then decide at a later date to >>>>>>>> change your mind. The OSS licenses, be it ASL or LGPL or GPL, are >>>>>>>> designed specifically to provide certainty in that area. Without this >>>>>>>> level of certainty end user OSS adoption would be a minefield as every >>>>>>>> time developers fall out, which happens often, one could demand all >>>>>>>> their code be removed and this would impact everyone who has invested >>>>>>>> time installing that software in production systems. >>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 31/08/2010 17:41, 山本 裕介 wrote: >>>>>>>>> I have consulted RH legal dept. only to get no meaningful response. >>>>>>>>> I guess Edson is the one who commit most of these files. >>>>>>>>> The how and why they need to be uncommitted is attached to the Jira >>>>>>>>> issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Yusuke >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 1:34 AM, Mauricio Salatino wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Yusuke, good question. I'm not sure where is the right place, but >>>>>>>>>> you are only asking to rollback your changes right? >>>>>>>>>> who commit all your contributions to the jboss repo? >>>>>>>>>> I also saw that you mention: "For several reasons, I decided to >>>>>>>>>> withdraw those contributions introduced from my spare time. " >>>>>>>>>> can you mention those reasons? so we, as community can learn why you >>>>>>>>>> want to remove your contributions. I'm just curious. >>>>>>>>>> Greetings. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:50 PM, 山本 裕介 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Where is the appropriate forum for copyright issues? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Greg Barton wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > This is not the appropriate forum for copyrighgt issues. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > GreG >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:40, 山本 裕介 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Hi, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > There's a copyright violation issue on Drools 5.1 release. >>>>>>>>>> > Please remove the changes listed in the following issue. >>>>>>>>>> > https://jira.jboss.org/browse/JBRULES-2660 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> > Yusuke >>>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> > rules-users mailing list >>>>>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> > rules-users mailing list >>>>>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> rules-users mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >>>>>>>>>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>>>>>>>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> rules-users mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> rules-users mailing list >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> rules-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Michael D Neale >>>>>>>> home: www.michaelneale.net >>>>>>>> blog: michaelneale.blogspot.com >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> rules-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> rules-dev mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> rules-dev mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> rules-dev mailing list >>>>> >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> rules-dev mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rules-dev mailing list >>> >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rules-dev mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > rules-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev > > > > > -- > Michael D Neale > home: www.michaelneale.net > blog: michaelneale.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > rules-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev _______________________________________________ rules-dev mailing list [email protected] https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev
