On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 01:30:26PM +0200, Ole Christian Tvedt
<[email protected]> wrote:
> > Uhm, no, nothing like that is actualyl written there (read it or point out
> > where this should be written).
>
> I'd say that "Returns True if mwm is running" means that it returns
> true if mvm is running. I guess that was a leap of faith on my part.
Yes, logic inversion is a common enough mistake to make: "return 1" would
satisfy the above condition as well.
> > If you don't want borderless operation, then don't use the borderless
> > option to urxvt.
>
> I want borderless operation in WMs that support it, and a terminal
> that is still functional in WMs that don't.
and urxvt delivers just that.
> Instead I have a terminal that is both borderless and useless, or has
> borders, in the three WMs I use on a daily basis.
Well, if your wm's don't support borderless operations thought the mwm
protocols, why not teach them? That would be *far* more productive then
having a hack in urxvt.
> It CAN be done. Simply removing the check for _MOTIF_WM_INFO would
> make it work the way the old man page says. Borderless in WMs that
> support it.
No, removing the check would fail on those wms who do not support the mwm
protocol at all.
> I can understand your reluctance. I'm all for following the standards,
No, this is not about following standards, this is about giving people
what the want. The borderless option is designed to give you a borderless
window, and people rely on that, for specific purposes.
You want to break this fucntionality, because the wms you use are broken.
The fix for broken wms are workign wms, wms that properly announce support
for the mwm protocol. Or, if you want borderless operation, just tell your wm
to display the window without borders, or in whatever style you wish it to
display it.
This is a wm issue, not something each and every application should work
around.
This has been explained before.
> any chance you would consider adding a separate option that works the
> way I'm suggesting? Judging by my google searches on this, it would
> make a lot of users happy.
And probably even more users unhappy.
It's the wrong way. If you want specific decorations on your window,
that's upto your wm. Urxvt should not play wm itself, unless the user
specifically requested it.
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