All --

So far I have sat back and watched the debate on the SAL B-7.  But I can stay 
silent no longer.  There are two things here that really bother me:

1.  I thought I would never say this, but here I am agreeing thoroughly with 
John Degnan.  And disagreeing with Carey Probst and others.  Let me give you a 
little personal history before I get to my point.

I started in S scale at the age of ten when my folks gave me an AF Hudson set 
to 
replace the Lionel O-27 train that I gave to local Chinese immigrants.  I 
immediately began looking in model magazines to find scale-like equipment to go 
with my Flyer stuff.  At age 12 my folks bought a house with a basement, so I 
had space for a layout.  At 13 I built my first scale kit -- an Ambroid ACL 
watermelon car.  (I still have it.)  This car was fitted with Northeastern 
sprung trucks with hirail wheelsets and Stewart scale dummy couplers.  I built 
my layout with Tru-Scale milled roadbed and code 125 brass rail.  I taught 
myself to build turnouts.  By age 16 I had my second basement layout.  All my 
cars had either dummy or operating scale couplers, but still sported the hirail 
wheelsets.  In my college years, whenever I was home on vacation, I gradually 
converted all my equipment to scale wheelsets -- even the old AF.

Why am I telling you all this?  Simple.  There were an awful lot of us S 
scalers 
back in the 1960s and 1970s who were not afraid to modify and build.  Our 
objective was to have realistic equipment on realistic track.  We viewed AF 
merely as a starting point for realistic equipment.  And any time a new kit 
came 
out (mostly from Kinsman scale models), there we all were, buying and building 
them.  Today everything is different.  The vast majority of S people are 
hirailers or tinplaters with little interest in building kits.  The vast 
majority of these people will never build anything.  Based on some of the 
remarks regarding the SAL B-7, most are not even willing to convert a scale car 
to hirail -- assuming they'd actually build the kit in the first place.

Now to my main point:  The detail that has to be compromised if a manufacturer 
were to make a kit or a built-up model) compatible with hirail wheelsets and 
AF-compatible couplers are the following:

1.  Repositioning underbody cross-bearers and/or making them shallower so as to 
provide clearance for the larger flanges.
2.  Eliminating the coupler pocket and air brake piping.
3.  Modifying end-sill detail so as not to interfere with the large 
AF-compatible couplers.
4.  For longer cars, narrowing the center sill to provide sufficient truck 
swing 
for operation on 20-inch curves.
5.  Use smaller stirrup steps at the ends of cars in order to cope with the 
wider truck swing (as SHS does with their house cars).

I would think that the modeler who would actually build the B-7 car kit for 
operation on a hirail layout would certainly have the skills to make these 
changes himself instead of expecting the manufacturer to provide alternate 
parts 
for him.  Therefore, I believe most of our e-list members who espouse 
"backward-compatibity" wouldn't buy the kit no matter what.

2.  Gathering and bookkeeping orders for the B-7.  It has been difficult for me 
to track what's happened here because there was not a continual drumbeat for 
reservations on the S-scale e-list (or elsewhere).  As one who has spearheaded 
several sucessful projects on this e-list and elsewhere, I have to tell you 
that 
there needs to be someone to act as chief bookkeeper/drum-beater.  I guess this 
is what John tried to do, but I do not recall seeing periodic notices that 
said, 
for example, "all we need are 'X' more subscribers and we are a go."

If we really want a SAL B-7, someone needs to come forward as chief 
drum-beater/bookkeeper and restart the project.  Otherwise, we're just 
hand-wringers.

Finally, let me say something about the ubiquity of foreign-road equipment on 
any given railroad in the mid-20th century (the era of the B-7):  Every 
railroad's cars appeared on every other railroad.  The appearance of 
foreign-road cars was pretty much proportional to the total number of cars each 
railroad owned.  There were lots of NYC, SP, PRR, and UP cars everywhere.  But 
you could even see, for example,  WA&G, KO&G, and FW&D cars thousands of mles 
away from their respective homes.  There were (and still are) no 
transcontinental American railroads, yet freight cars never had to be unloaded 
and reloaded at interchange points. The cars just trundled onto foreign-road 
rails.  The SAL was no podunk operation; SAL cars were pretty common 
everywhere.  After all, the SAL ran freight trains a thousand miles from the DC 
area to many Southern cities all the way down through Georgia and Florida on a 
beautifully-maintained double-track main line.  You can't really model your 
favorite railroad effectively without a significant percentage of foreign-road 
cars -- including SAL.

Dick Karnes


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