Let me clarify that MY posts were not at all based in unawareness of what Jim 
has achieved with his method(s) of production.... which I fully and totally 
appreciate.

What I am talking about is that there are TONS on prototypes that COULD be 
modeled via the flat panel approach that will NEVER BE SEEN from ANY 
manufacturer and their respective production processes!  It is NOT about saving 
time for me (which some folks apparently feel should be spent on building a 
layout instead of on building models), it is about AVAILIBILITY.  It is also 
about the fact that you're going to spend just as much time CORRECTING an 
incorrect model (taking SHS' rebuild box cars, for example... the ENDS of which 
I have to destroy and replace with the correct ends so that they will match the 
ends that my prototype had.  So tell me again if you can... HOW do RTR models 
save time when they have to be chopped up and re-done???  They do not.  And 
that does not even take into account that you might nt even be able to find a 
'plug-in' replacement, and may end up having to build your own from scratch, 
meaning that you're spending even MORE time and effort.

If Jim King has no interest in flat panel kits... ok, fine... that is his 
choice.  But there is surely some folks who DO like them, want them, and some 
manufacturers who can and will produce them.  In a scale like HO, there is 
obviously NO NEED for flat panel kits since a vast number of modelers, but 
there definitely IS in scales like S and O... and apparently in TT scale as 
well since the absolute BEST models you can currently buy in TT scale (AFAIK) 
are FLAT PANEL KITS from what used to be an S scale manufacturer named Pacific 
Rail Shops, but is now a TT scale manufacturer named Gold Coast Models!

I am NOT saying that flat panels are the best way to go for ALL models... but 
they are the ONLY way to go for some.  And the flat panel method may be an old 
process (as someone stated), nut I fail to see how that makes it obsolete when 
the same QUALITY of the pieces (sides, ends, etc) can be achieved on them as 
can be achieved with most other production processes.

My final point : If you're interested in saving time, then even Jim's kits are 
not for you.  His 1-piece bodies only save you TWO steps in the first place... 
glueing the ends to the sides and roof to that assembly.  SMMW's kits... as 
much as I love them... STILL have to be the rest of the many parts assemblmed, 
and then they have to be painted.  So where is there any real time saved?


John Degnan
[email protected]


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Sankus 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 05:50 PM
  Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Flat cast kit parts ... no way


  Jim;
  I think some of the posts pertaining to flat castings were from those who
  have no idea what is involved in the level of work that you achieve.
  They were suggesting alternative methods to possibly save $ and have
  multiple kits available.
  There still are those folks out there who love fitting and piecing parts
  together.
  No slight toward you.
  Jeff S.

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