Bill, I can understand your angst. I have personally spent many hours and money in the past helping others get projects and products off the ground, with no recompense to myself. Many times I paid for my own examples of products resulting from my efforts.
I don't consider this to be something to hold a grudge about, I'm simply happy to see how much my efforts enhanced S scale and my enjoyment, but it can be somewhat disconcerting to get shoved into the background with no acknowledgment. I probably won't buy any containers, but you never know, they do fit my era, but I certainly do admire and respect the effort you put forth for S scale. Bob Nicholson _________________________________________________ --- In [email protected], "Bill Lane" <bill@...> wrote: > > Where do I start. > > > > I am up very early because a head cold won't let me sleep. I will apologize > in advance because I will be wandering here. The events of the past few days > have been a real eye opener for me, with even close friends were rather > critical of things I supposedly should have done. I will admit that it stung > quite a bit, but mostly have a feeling of why should I have to "defend" > myself? Perhaps if I lay it out for all to see it will make better sense. > > > > I can't say that I knew Stan all that well. We would go through periods of a > few emails and photos of what we were working on exchanged and then periods > of no contact. Like most of us, I admired his work greatly. I was completely > interested in a few photos from Stan of his gondolas with containers. I made > it known to Stan that I would like to have some containers but it did not > happen. > > > > I am unemployed for almost 4 years now. When the estate list from Jeff > Wilson came out I should not have looked at it but I did. I knew that I > could not afford the higher dollar items that were Stan's best work. I felt > like I wanted something from him to help me remember his modeling spirit. I > saw the AM gondola with containers and a depressed center flat car. I have a > small collection of items built from "famous S Scalers" that has great value > to me. These items would fit right in. I put my thumb on them and Jeff sent > me some photos. Jeff was kind enough to sit on the cars for almost 2 months > until I could pay him. > > > > When I opened the box about 3 weeks ago the thought of a project did not hit > me right away. But when I saw a container that could be used as a master > pattern my first thought was - wow - I can make a project and others can > share in a piece of things that Stan made. That is pretty frigging innocent > if you asked me. > > > > The caster that made my passenger car roof set a reasonable minimum quantity > that frankly I was wondering if I would hit. Well I greatly underestimated > that point. I announced the possible project last week and let it go. Among > other things I was very busy getting our house ready for our first party of > the year. By the time I found out that there were issues about the project > on Monday morning it had already been raging all weekend long into a full > blown incident. I was told things like "intellectual property", a lawsuit, > and "stealing from the poor widow" were told to me over a chunk of plastic > I bought. I was rather floored over the whole thing when I heard this. In > the mean time I have a stack of unpaid bills and a true $17.00 in my > checking account. I don't have time for such drama - I have to hustle to > make the bills go away. When the question of "Copyrights" came up on the > list I did not reply because I felt my conscious was clear. > > > > I will divert for 1 second here by saying this in the absolute nicest most > restrained way I possibly can. If Edward Loizeaux took issue with me > reproducing something that he felt was his, why could be not contact me > first? Why am I the frigging bad guy here? Pull up a chair here kiddies this > is going to get deep. We will get to integrity in a minute. > > > > I have since also been accused of creating this drama myself and censorship > of Edward Loizeaux by putting him on moderation and I "have it out for him" > questioning why I out him on in the first place. Again I am the bad guy. I > cannot release something unless it is posted. Again I am the bad guy. Let's > go to http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/message/74256 The first > paragraph was sent to me as proof that I am a petty by stifling Ed for > posting at will. But Ed did no wrong. I am not allowed to be offended by the > tone and criticism leveled by Ed. I put him on moderation for no reason. > Further there has been no mention of asking to be removed from moderation or > Olive Branch of any kind from Ed. I guess it matters to you and accusing me > of being PETTY more than it actually matters to Ed himself. Amazingly Ed is > not even posting and still causing the S Scale list drama. Guess what. I > just took Ed off of moderation. You will all get to read exactly what Ed > does not post. > > > > And just where is Ed's account of how and where he felt his objections? I > have responded but he has not even though he has had ample time. If you > think for 1 second I have blocked his response ask him. > loizeaux@... I can assure you he has not tried to post his account > or press release to the S Scale list. But I am the guilty bad guy for trying > to bring a new item to the S market - unfortunately I did not know I had to > cower and ask for Mighty Ed's blessing first. Check I got that one down fine > just now. Can I please be exonerated for my sins in the court of S Scale > approval? > > > > Now for the meat of this discussion. Let's talk about integrity in terms of > offering to the S world and the commitment to making it happen. > > > > How many people here have: > > > > Tried to import 2 S Scale brass cars that were a complete disaster. This > included having to personally paint 150 cars that **all** needed some kind > of repair. This worst mistake of my life is still ongoing after 13+ years > later. I just painted a car last week that we will have to get into someone > hands. The history of S Scale is full of crooks with good intentions that > take deposits and you never ever see the items. I am still on the job. > > > > Designed and produced item because it was not currently available in S > Scale. I **gave** Don Thompson the reproduction rights to the Archbar truck > http://www.showcaseline.com/Parts/trucks_in_stock.html I did not make a > dime on it - ever. Since I was just learning Solidworks it was well over 100 > hours of design time. I did not even want an Archbar truck!. I literally > only have 2 pairs of them. Don wanted to keep the item alive so I agreed and > let him sell the trucks. > > > > Managed a small niche item project with rave results. > http://www.lanestrains.com/Reading_Roof.jpg > > > > In the end I owe no one a dime on promised made and not shipped. How dare > anyone reading this question my integrity! I can't remember when I was so > offended last. Of wait, that is not true. It is when Mighty Ed referred to > me as "The moderator" in a tone like I was obliged to serve his every wish. > > > > Now by a show of hands - how many people here have something made in the > past 15 years (The same time frame I have been offering items to the S Scale > populous) that Ed Loizeaux produced and offering for public sale? Anyone? > How many of you have given deposits to things Ed organized or urged you to > buy and still have nothing to show for it? Anyone? It seems to me that train > projects with Ed Loizeaux's fingerprints on them have yet to reach the > station. Some people make things and deliver. Others just complain about it > all. Ed wants to make these projects and keep them to himself (his > prerogative) and not offer a few to his alleged S friends. I share in my > labors. > > > > Again I am the bad guy - robbing the widow and ripping off Ed's alleged > claim to a piece of plastic I bought. I will send Ed an X29 or a G26 > (because Ed never supported Pennsy S Models and actually bought one) and let > him copy cast my project. Will that call us even yet? > > > > This whole drama stops here and now. > > > > Because of this mess and massive attacks on my name by Ed and others I am > continuing the Container project without using anything that has Ed Loizeaux > associated with it. I am making a new master pattern using Solidworks. It > will be a better product then Ed never offered that can be sold gilt free to > the Eddites in California because best of all it will be California Whine > free. I am even considering adding a second container pattern to the project > that is true PRR lineage. I just need to get the additional support for it. > > > > After over 2 hours+ of writing starting at 3:30 AM I will end here. I have > been truly offended over this thing. I truly can't believe such things could > happen with people I held closely as my friends. I had thought about > quitting the project, but I can't' do that. I always try and take the high > road. Best of all I deliver on my promises and I sleep well at night with a > clear conscious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You, > Bill Lane > > Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 > > See my finished models at: > <http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com > Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! > > Custom Train Parts Design > <http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm> > http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm > > PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded > (Trading is MUCH preferred) > <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls> > http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls > > ***Join the PRR T&HS*** > The other members are not ALL like me! > <http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com > <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf> > http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf > > Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society > It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com > Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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