and he notes - I am familiar with the Budd "Shot Weld" process and the 'all fluted' carbodies. I erred on the dates Pullman began building fluted side cars. They started back in the late 30s with, (correct me if I'm wrong) Santa Fe's order for the Chiefs. (See link below):
http://books.google.com/books?id=QEoEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA111&lpg=PA111&dq=pullman+streamlined+cars&source=bl&ots=PY4wB62fK-&sig=CQYqBOl18lJrlbsSePik8YVHTqc&hl=en&ei=jXsETueAN8jd0QGirv3RCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CFoQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=pullman%20streamlined%20cars&f=false and more can be seen on this site: http://cdm15330.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm4/results.php?CISOOP1=any&CISOBOX1=PULLMAN-&CISOFIELD1=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP2=all&CISOBOX2=pullman+company.&CISOFIELD2=subjec&CISOROOT=/p15330coll22&t=s The Boston & Maine/Maine Central had a dozen or so stainless sheathed cars they bought in the late 40s for their pool trains. They were sleepers and a couple of diner/lounges. They didn't have fluted roofs. The diners were sold to the Wabash in 1958 and the rest to the CN in 1966. That last sale sent B&M's CEO Patrick McGinnis to jail for violating the Equipment Trust Act. As I remember he sold the cars without bids. I rode in the elevator with him several times when I worked at a company in the B&M office building in the 60s. Very friendly and always asked about my family. Raleigh in *!^%$*^& Raineigh Maineigh... At 07:42 AM 6/24/2011, Jamie Bothwell wrote: > > >Rollie and any one else who cares, >Technically Budd had a patent on the welding of stainless steel. A >process they called "shot welding". To the best of my knowledge >there are no Budd built cars without fluted roofs, but they produced >many cars for several railroads that had what modelers have termed >"slab sides". These cars had three large steel bars that run the >length of the car under the windows. The fluting that we modelers, >especially ones from California, find so appealing was intended to >add strength to the car body. Therefore when Budd built cars without >the flutes for the likes of the PRR, MP, DL&W, and others I'd have >to look up, they had to add the "slabs" to increase the strength of >the fluteless sides. The only cars I know of that were not built by >Budd, but had fluted roofs were a series of sleepers built for the >PRR and ACL where Pullman bought the roofs from Budd and licensed >the shot welding process. They screwed it up the first time and had >to buy more roofs. The stainless overlays of the Cor-Ten cars caused >bad rusting of the Cor-Ten which is why very few of these cars made >it to Amtrak. >Jamie Bothwell >Bethlehem, PA > >On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Rollain Mercier wrote: > > > Incidentally, the cars were meant to be models of Pullman smooth side > > steel cars. Budd had the patents on stainless cars at that time and > > all of them were fluted. Pullman did produce some fluted side cars in > > the fifties but they were overlays on regular (or Cor-Ten) steel > > sides. The New Haven had a bunch of 'em. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
