From: Alan Lambert Ed, Sounds like Rich and myself were just trying to clear up some left out details. No harm intended. Sond like the scale guys are scaired to voicewhat they want from Loinel as far as "S" goes. Sounds like the High rail guys are doing just that. My oppinion again , no hard feelings. I have larned alo from the scale guys and the layouts that I have seen. Alan
________________________________ From: Ed <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:10 PM Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Lionel Is Seeking Input From S Scalers Rich.... This is exactly my point. Without a helpful volunteer like you, we would never have heard about this inquiry from Lionel. Suggesting Lionel make direct contact with us instead of via intermediaries is what I was suggesting. That way, if a helpful volunteer (like you) is not around, we can still get the message from Lionel. I don't think it is a bad idea and am confused as to why some guys think it is unfriendly or unwarranted or whatever. All Jon needs to do is create an "S List" on his email system and one push of the button sends his message to all of us on all the various S lists. John Degnan says there are over 30+ on Yahoo Groups alone not to mention the S Sig and others. Still sounds like a good idea to me. Why is there such resistance to a helpful idea? It sounds like you and Alan are upset merely for my proposing it. In any event and regardless, thanks for passing the message along. Do appreciate it. Please note that I never said "we shouldn't be bothered" or anything along those lines. Constrain that imagination a bit. You and Alan must be eating the same candy bars these days. I did state that direct contact with customers is preferable to using intermediaries. I still think that is a good concept. Cheers...Ed L. PS: I have never shown any negativity toward Lionel. Check the archives and you will see. I will be encouraging them to take a ride down the scale track. Rest assured about that. --- In [email protected], "richgajnak" <rustytraque@...> wrote: > > Ed, > > Jon's message wasn't sent to the "O Gauge Guys," it was sent to the S SCALE > discussion board sponsored by O Gauge Railroading magazine, of which I am a > member. > > Granted, most of the guys on the S SCALE PORTION of the OGR board are Flyer > oriented and/or newly reformed O Gaugers, but there are some scalers there > and the talk there is 99% of S Scale in one of its various forms, much like > this list was before it was Balkanized into the Scale and Flyer groups. > > I'm pretty sure Lionel would prefer that Jon do what he was hired to do and > not spend all his time circulating among the various S Scale boards, SIG's, > facebook pages and whatever. > > I passed Jon's request along, unfiltered, as a service to us S Scalers here > in attempt to share information and provide an avenue for input. > > It was my idea. > > I didn't HAVE to pass it along. > > Maybe I shouldn't have bothered if the prevailing viewpoint is there is no > life outside of our little cloister and the only way we can be bothered is if > they sign up with us. > > I could have just let Jon get my viewpoint along some others over in > OGR-S-land, but I have this perhaps misguided idea that folks here would like > to possibly have an impact on what or how Lionel produces S Scale products. > > I've provided his email, here it is again: > > jonzroute-lionel@... > > Bang... How more direct can contact be? > > I didn't post Jon's email in earlier posts a couple of weeks ago because I > had just begun dialoging with him and wasn't sure if Jon would be receptive > to having his corporate email blasted all over the ether. > > Especially given the bellicose negativity towards Lionel as shown by some a > few weeks ago... > > If anyone only gets the digest form or the entire address doesn't show up for > whatever reason, email me and I'll send the address. Just bear in mind I > usually only check in here in the early evening (Central Time) and weekends. > > Jon is willing for direct contact with S Scalers and take their input. The > email address provides that opportunity. > > It's our opportunity to lose. > > Rich G(ajnak) > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ed" <Loizeaux@> wrote: > > > > Rich...One suggestion you can pass along to Jon is to have him write to us > > directly on this List and the S Sig's Forum at www.sscale.org instead of > > sending messages to the O Gauge guys and expecting them to be forwarded. > > Direct contact with customers is always better than using intermediaries. > > Good luck....Ed L. > > > > --- In [email protected], "richgajnak" <rustytraque@> wrote: > > > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > > > Jon, the Chief Technology Officer is seeking input from S Scalers > > > regarding DCC in the new Scale Flyer line. > > > > > > I have received his permission to cross post the following from the OGR S > > > Scale board along with his email address. > > > > > > Here is his question: > > > -------------------------- > > > "I have a question for the folks here on this thread... I am toying with > > > a DCC decoder (derived from a design I created 8 years ago!) as a swap > > > for our TMCC radio board. If successful, a one board swap out without > > > any wiring changes would allow DCC support with our current motor, smoke, > > > and light controller; and also link to the RailSounds system. Would > > > folks be willing to purchase the "DCC adapter" to plug and play upgrade > > > locos such as the SD-70, Y3, U33? Figure costs at $50/board for > > > evaluation of the concept. No promises, just exploratory feedback - as I > > > may run into some technical issues in the current board set that prevent > > > this concept from working out..." > > > -------------------------- > > > > > > Jon's email is: > > > jonzroute-lionel@ > > > > > > Or, he can be contacted through Lionel's "Talk to Us" page. > > > > > > Jon is willing to listen to us in order make the Scale Flyer line more > > > "scale friendly" for us folks. He has been very open on the OGR board > > > about what is possible and what isn't. > > > > > > Remember, whatever he would like to do to help us out still has to be > > > sold to Lionel management. > > > > > > This is an opportunity to contact Lionel about DCC compatibility and > > > perhaps follow up with other issues regarding the Scale Flyer line. > > > > > > Rich G(ajnak) > > > > > >
