Hi Ed and all --

I can tell you that MTH developed a high output smoke for steam engines a long 
time ago (more than 10 years).    I can also tell you that it can fill a hobby 
shop to IFR (instrument flight rules) conditions in just a few minutes and 
leave everyone choking for clean air.   I can also remember a convention in 
Anaheim (the last NMRA PCR / PSR combined) where a coal burning live steamer 
running out on the patio almost evacuated the whole display room.   While 
realistic “smoke” would be a visual treat, it is a totally unrealistic thing to 
actually have indoors.    

I have several sound systems (PFM/PBL) and have used DCC sound in my shop.   
Idling diesels and steamers are cool.  This is great stuff when used in 
moderation, but to constantly have to moderate the volume while a loco passes 
through tunnels is a pain, and a whole room full of these things is obnoxious.  
  I find running the trains with metal wheelsets creates enough racket and sets 
the scene, noise-wise, pretty well.   

To each his own....

Have fun!
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ   

From: Ed 
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:20 PM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: The "York" Conversation

  
Hi Mike....I guess we all have our opinions. And they are not always the same 
for everyone. Can I comment on your thoughts:

> I consider both the sound and smoke of a steam locomotive the most important 
> sensory experience of the prototype.

Can this be interpreted to mean that smoke and sound are more important than 
dimensions? Thus, huge couplers, giant flanges, lack of details, tracks with 
few ties, etc. are less important? Or, in other words, traditional AF is just 
fine as long as it has smoke and chuff-chuff? Is that what you really mean to 
say?

> Does the prototype labor down the track without billowing puffs of smoke 
> emanating from the smokestack?

You are right -- the prototype has large billows of puffing smoke. Most models 
have wispy wimpy white (not dark) smoke that is a poor representation of the 
real thing. And the smoke/steam on the models rarely comes from the steam chest 
or the steam lines on passenger trains. I suppose some smoke is better than no 
smoke, but really strong wonderful smoke has not yet made it into our model 
world. I'd like to see it get there, but until it does the realism just isn't 
there for me.

> I never understood how the sound of a model steam locomotive is considered 
> realistic when smoke is looked down upon as a gimmick.

Tsunami sound is realistic because it is made from recordings of actual steam 
locos under load. Cannot get much more realistic than that. Pretty much the 
same as standing by the side of the track. Smoke from the real thing is 
sometimes black or gray in addition to white and the volume of smoke emanating 
from the prototype is MUCH greater than from typical models. Smoke realism has 
not yet reached the level of the Tsunami realism. Just an opinion, of course, 
but one shared by many.

> I believe the most appropriate route is to replicate both for a total 
> experience in a scale model.
> Mike A.

Yes, I agree -- as long as accurate dimensions and slow smooth operation are 
not sacrificed in the process. We should ask MTH and Lionel for better smoking 
features. Perhaps a volume button and a color button -- black, gray or white. 
Once it becomes realistic, I would agree it is a major feature that will be 
much in demand. Right now, most scale modelers do not care that much about 
smoke. 

Cheers....Ed L.



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