--- In [email protected], "Edward Loizeaux"  wrote:
> I hate to disagree with a couple of train buddies, BUT the new AF >locos by 
> Lionel will change your minds about vertical motors mounted >directly onto a
> truck. 
> At the recent O SCALE WEST + S convention, both locos ran on my >layout for
> the layout visiting tourists.  They both operated on DCC.  I must say they
> ran as well as any other loco S scale has seen to date.  

  Hi Ed, I didn't say they can't make a decent loco that way, I said it's 
usually not the best way to make a scale loco and shows where a companies true 
loyalties lie. No matter how nice those Lionel locos run physics says using the 
bulk of the space for motor and gearing is gonna make a better running loco 
than using the space for proprietary control system, sound, and smoke. It's 
just a matter of the room required for a large high quality motor, a strong low 
speed gear train, flexible well detailed trucks,etc. There's no way all that 
can be compressed into just the truck space without giving up something.Usually 
they give up motor quality, gear ratio, enclosed gears, and equalized trucks to 
add their non-standard control and sound boards. I just don't like to see Kato 
taking this path too cause in the past they built some nice locos...DaveBranum  
  



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