Ed...
Loved learning the real history on this project.  I guess many of us have lost 
a few bucks trying to advance S scale.  Jim and Dan took the BIG risks with 
River Raisin.  

Now the bigger question remains....does all of this make Jim a "Rib-eye" 
expert, or a "Baby Back rib" expert?

Bob H.

--- In [email protected], "Ed" <Loizeaux@...> wrote:
>
> > I still wonder why he chose this particular truck.  It was not common on 
> > any of the BUDD built cars except perhaps a few NYC cars...and maybe that's 
> > the obvious answer.
> > Bob Hogan 
> 
> Even though there were several NYC enthusiasts in the Budd Buddies 
> consortium, they did not dictate the truck selection to Larry Jackman.  My 
> semi-uneducated guess is that he decided the Slumbercoach (aka Sleepercoach) 
> was the first car Larry wanted to see in production because it had never been 
> made before in any form -- shorty or longy, wood, plastic, etched, etc.  So 
> perhaps he chose to start with that truck first to go with the car he 
> intended to first produce.  Just a guesstimate....
> 
> For those interested in S history, when Larry bailed on the Budd Buddies 
> project it was realized that all the advance funding had been spent on the 
> trucks and a few other molds for various pieces and parts including an 
> extruded body which was inspected by Jim Kindraka.  Jim actually counted the 
> small roof ribs and told the Budd Buddies that one rib was missing (or was it 
> two?).  Not only does Jim count rivets, but he has an eye for ribs!  
> 
> For a while, Larry sold just the trucks via Bill Wade at BTS for a couple of 
> years or so.
> 
> Other Budd Buddy funds were spent on general purpose machine shop tools in 
> contradiction with the contract which called for the money to be spent only 
> on Budd-specific tooling.
> 
> Since the contract called for an entire train of about six or eight different 
> cars, lawyers were contacted, a lawsuit was filed, settlement negotiations 
> began and half the money was returned to the Budd Buddies just prior to Larry 
> declaring bankruptcy and moving to Florida.
> 
> As part of this arrangement, Larry kept the Budd molds which then found their 
> way to Des Plaines Hobbies in due course.  To the best of my knowledge, DPH 
> has not made these trucks for several/many years now.  Ron seems reluctant to 
> discuss future production runs and so it is quite difficult to know if they 
> will ever be made again.
> 
> While the project was a financial disaster, the Budd Buddies can take some 
> satisfaction in knowing they created a new pair of beautiful trucks that had 
> not yet existed in S scale.  Legally speaking, the Budd Buddies hold the 
> copyright on the trucks, but have never asked anyone for compensation 
> (royalties) for producing them.
> 
> Several years later, mold maker Randy Wilson told me that the amount of money 
> involved would have barely covered the tooling costs for just the observation 
> car and no way would it have been enough to pay for tooling for an entire 
> Budd train which was what the contract specified.  Live and learn......
> 
> Life goes on............poorer, but wiser.
> 
> Cheers....Ed Loizeaux
>




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