On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 6:40 AM, David Kirkby <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm willing to donate £30.00 ($48) of my own money to target
> Mathematica, so when people search for it, they get ads for Sage on
> Google. That might not be enough to make any impact, but it's worth a
> try.
>
> 1) First, does anyone object to me doing this, or have any opinions
> why its a bad idea?
> 2) Secondly, would anyone object if William donated some money from
> Sage donations or other sources of income? I'm not suggesting William
> should do that, but he did  wonder on another thread (Support
> contracts for commercial customers)  if people might object to money
> being spent on advertising.

I'm fine with spending a bit of money on advertising, but it does seem
odd to me to particularly single out a competitor. Terms like "math
software" could be useful.

> Next question, how does one target languages and regions? According to
> Google trends, taking only the last 12 months
>
> http://www.google.co.uk/trends?q=mathematica&ctab=0&geo=all&date=ytd&sort=0
>
> for search terms,
>
> 1) The most common search region is Greece
> 2) The most common search city is Cambridge, MA, USA.
> 3) The most common search language is Greek
>
> I must admit, the first and third surprise me a bit.

Mathematica could be something else in Greece or Greek. For example,
http://www.mathematica.gr/ doesn't seem to be owned by Wolfram.

> One thing that I did consider is that in some countries, where
> software piracy is very common, the idea of saving money by using Sage
> rather than Mathematica might not be much incentive.
>
> I've no idea of the accuracy of this data, but
>
> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate
>
> ranks Armenia as the #1 country for piracy at 93%, Greece at #60 with
> 58%, the UK (where I live) at #27 with 26% and the USA at #107 with
> 20%. I can well believe 26% in the UK, as that figure probably
> includes games, but I think it will be a lot lower for professional
> software like Mathematica.

I think one criteria would be to try to attract those users that we
can serve best. A whole new influx of, say, interest from Greece would
be hard if no one in the community speeks any Greek.

> One can either pay for a click or pay by the number of ads seen.

I'd rather pay by click.

> Any thoughts on the best way to target this? Take a look at
> http://www.google.co.uk/intl/en/adwords/jumpstart/09Q3-new.html to see
> the options. Creating the account is free, though there's a $5 one-off
> fee for actually taking out the ads. You can read a lot more, and
> experiment with keywords once you have an account.
>
> I suspect it needs more than £30 ($48) to make any serious impact, but
> it would be interesting to see what happens.

I believe Harald Schilly did some experiments along these lines a year
or two ago. Might be interesting to see what was learned there.

- Robert

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