On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 4:02 AM, John Cremona <john.crem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it the intention that all Sage developers should use this new > system instead of the google group emails which we have used for many > years? Or as well? Has this been discussed anywhere, for example on > this list? > It was never my intention for Zulip to replace this list. I see it rather as complementary (and optional!). In particular, I think it's reasonable to see how our usage of it evolves rather than prescribe a particular division. I think Zulip can be useful when you want to get some quick feedback but don't think most people will care, since it's opt-in for whether people are paying attention there. I think it's also nice as a way to generate energy for working on things, since it feels more interactive than either trac or e-mail. I don't think controversial decisions should be made on Zulip: discussions where people might be upset that they missed them are better handled on this list. It is already hard to keep track of the email threads. I have looked > at the Zopa streams and find that after a short time there are dozens > if not hundreds of new things in the trac stream. Somewhere buried > in all that there might be some things of interest to me, but I don't > want to scan hundreds of messages every day just in case. You can unsubscribe from the trac stream and instead subscribe to "trac-elliptic curves", "trac-number fields", "trac-number theory" and maybe a few others. Then the volume is much more managable. > I already > get an email from trac when a ticket that I care about gets updated, > so why would I want this as well? > I see a few reasons. First, because you can see activity on a broader range of tickets, you can discover tickets that might be of interest to you (that you aren't CCed on for example). Second, it's opt-in in terms of attention. I try to pay attention when I get an e-mail, so I wouldn't want trac e-mails on every ticket I might be interested in paying attention to at some point. But if I have some time to look at other things (and review them perhaps), then I can go look at the stream on Zulip and see what's new. > I can see that this would work well for something like the online > collaborations you mention, but for everyday work I cannot see how it > is intended to be used. > It may not be a good fit for you, and that's fine. But if you're curious about how an active open source community uses Zulip, you can check out chat.zulip.org. Some of their usage is testing Zulip itself, but I think a lot of the modes of interaction are more general to an open-source project and could carry over to Sage. David P.S. The meeting today went well; I think the participants saw the value in being able to keep multiple simultaneous conversations both interleaved and separable. > John > > On 8 August 2017 at 00:54, David Roe <roed.m...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Here's a status report from playing around with it for a few days. > > > > * I find it pretty interesting to watch the feeds of everything that's > > happening on trac (you can also just focus on a single component). > > * I think that it will be quite useful for having online Sage Days, which > > have happened at various points in the past but not much in recent years. > > We're going to be having somewhat regular p-adics meetings on Zulip, the > > first being tomorrow at 12pm EDT, 6pm CEST. Feel free to join us, or > > organize your own meetings. > > * If you want to ask me for a code review, that's what the code review > > stream is for. :-) > > > > David > > > > On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 1:02 PM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Zulip was also founded and is run by Tim Abbott, who did a lot of work > on > >> Sage in the past, mainly single-handedly getting Sage into Debian back > in > >> 2007... He's now focusing a lot of effort on Zulip. > >> > >> -- William > >> > >> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 9:44 AM David Roe <roed.m...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi everyone, > >>> I've set up a server running Zulip for realtime collaboration on Sage. > >>> You can try it out at zulip.sagemath.org. More details below.... > >>> > >>> Zulip > >>> Zulip is an open source group chat program (see their website and chat > >>> room). Zulip is organized into streams, and within each stream you can > >>> narrow by topic. I've set up a bunch of streams to start us off, but > you > >>> can also create your own. > >>> > >>> Signing up > >>> You can register using a google account, a github account, or by > entering > >>> an e-mail and password. Note that the e-mail settings are not yet > fully > >>> configured, so e-mails will most likely go to your spam filter; check > there > >>> first. If you have other problems registering, please let me know. > >>> > >>> Streams > >>> There is a set of default streams that you will be subscribed to when > you > >>> join, but there are lots more that you can find in the Manage Streams > menu > >>> in Settings. For example, you might want to subscribe to the "number > >>> theory" and "padics" streams, or to the "combinatorics" and "porting" > >>> streams. > >>> > >>> Integration with Trac > >>> I've set up a bot so that every update to trac gets sent to the trac > >>> stream and to a stream for the component (e.g. trac-padics); you can > either > >>> subscribe to "trac" to get all notifications or to a set of components. > >>> Since trac's wiki language isn't the same as markdown, some of the > >>> formatting will be off. If you're interested in improving the bot, > let me > >>> know! > >>> > >>> Audience > >>> For now, I want to see how well Zulip works for the Sage developers > (for > >>> example, with enough critical mass of users it might become a good > place to > >>> find people to review your tickets). Eventually, I could also see > Zulip also > >>> being valuable as a place where users could ask questions. Some of the > >>> streams that I've set up are with this aim in mind. > >>> > >>> Hope to hear from you on Zulip! > >>> David > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>> "sage-devel" group. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > >>> email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>> To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> > >> -- > >> -- William Stein > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "sage-devel" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > >> email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "sage-devel" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. 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