I tried to comment out all the changes in all_cmdline.py, but this didn't 
help.  The diff of src/sage/interfaces/all.py is a bit unclear to me, I 
don't see what could be a problem there. 

On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 17:47:29 UTC+1 John H Palmieri wrote:

> This was one of my guesses because that ticket could have changed global 
> behavior of Sage by changing some imports — most of the tickets made more 
> focused changes. Can you start with 9.8.beta6 and just apply some of the 
> changes from #34547? In particular, do things work if you don't include the 
> changes in all_cmdline.py?
>
> -- 
> John
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:15:53 AM UTC-8 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I just spent some time to debug this, but I failed.  The problem seems to 
>> be that sage-shell:wait-for-redirection-to-complete in 
>> https://github.com/sagemath/sage-shell-mode/blob/80fbb4ee9ed8507d22214ed7a4ffd135c9e8c7c8/sage-shell-mode.el#L889
>>  
>> does not return.  There is only one python file involved, 
>> https://github.com/sagemath/sage-shell-mode/blob/master/emacs_sage_shell.py, 
>> but I do not see what #34547 has to do with it.  Something about 
>> lazy_import maybe?
>>
>> I can see that in sage-shell:run-cell-raw-output the command
>>
>> _emacs_sage_shell.run_cell_and_print_msg_id("_emacs_sage_shell.print_sage_root()",
>>  
>> ’emacs_sage_shell_msg_idb3d6f70f24e51147305a3aea036ba747start’, 
>> ’emacs_sage_shell_msg_idb3d6f70f24e51147305a3aea036ba747end’)
>>
>> was sent to the process (using process-send-string), and after that,
>>
>>         (sage-shell:wait-for-redirection-to-complete)
>>
>> never returns.  I don't know how to debug the python code, 
>> unfortunately.  Most importantly, I don't see what changed - what does 
>> #34547 have to do with it?
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 11:09:23 UTC+1 [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed, that was a great suggestion: 9.8.beta6 works - and it seems that 
>>> #16522 was already in 9.8.beta6.  However 9.8.beta6 + #34547 fails.
>>> Not sure where to go from here.  Should I open a ticket on trac?
>>>
>>> For me personally, this is a blocker, but I have no idea how many emacs 
>>> users there are.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 10:21:11 UTC+1 [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for this suggestion!  I will try with 9.8.beta6 + #33842.  I 
>>>> hope that all dependencies are in the branch.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 21:32:10 UTC+1 John H Palmieri wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Could it be #34547, #16522, or #33842? I'm just taking guesses based 
>>>>> on the newly merged tickets.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:42:37 AM UTC-8 
>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From someone called mantepse in the sage-shell-mode 
>>>>>> <https://github.com/sagemath/sage-shell-mode/issues/69#issuecomment-1400278482>
>>>>>>  issue 
>>>>>> on github :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ```
>>>>>> It is really strange: I have a 9.8.beta7 build and a 9.8.beta6 build. 
>>>>>> Apparently, if I first use the beta6 one for sage-shell-mode, I can then 
>>>>>> use beta7 in the same emacs session.
>>>>>> ```
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't get it either...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are two short Python files in the current `sahe-shell-mode` 
>>>>>> emacs package, which are my prime suspects for an incompatibility with 
>>>>>> Python 3.11. Now for a strategy for debugging *this*...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any idea ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le lundi 23 janvier 2023 à 10:48:48 UTC+1, [email protected] a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Emacs stopped working for me again!  I don't get it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is terrible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, 22 January 2023 at 14:41:04 UTC+1 [email protected] 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This patches fix my Fricas issue indeed. But losing the Emacs 
>>>>>>>> interface is a big hit for me, so I revert to 9.6.beta6 for now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you nevertheless !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Le vendredi 20 janvier 2023 à 22:58:53 UTC+1, John H Palmieri a 
>>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the hopes that this will fix it, I opened 
>>>>>>>>> https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/34927.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-8 John H Palmieri 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does this change fix the fricas.py failure?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> diff --git a/src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py 
>>>>>>>>>> b/src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py
>>>>>>>>>> index dc2ce71f26..ceba6f90dc 100644
>>>>>>>>>> --- a/src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py
>>>>>>>>>> +++ b/src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py
>>>>>>>>>> @@ -891,7 +891,7 @@ http://fricas.sourceforge.net.
>>>>>>>>>>          """
>>>>>>>>>>          EXAMPLES::
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> -            sage: fricas.__reduce__()                           
>>>>>>>>>>                 # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>> +            sage: FriCAS().__reduce__()                         
>>>>>>>>>>                 # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>              (<function reduce_load_fricas at 0x...>, ())
>>>>>>>>>>              sage: f, args = _                                   
>>>>>>>>>>                 # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>              sage: f(*args) 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 12:34:21 PM UTC-8 
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apart from the  Emacs issye alteady reported 
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/sage-release/c/QRjzctTlVeU/m/MKACzqcVAQAJ>,
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> I get the three permanent failures I reported for the previous 
>>>>>>>>>>> betas, as 
>>>>>>>>>>> well as a new one, which gives three errors :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> charpent@zen-book-flip:/usr/local/sage-9$ sage -t --long 
>>>>>>>>>>> --warn-long 259.6 
>>>>>>>>>>> --random-seed=41414648133166628206443904124754495105 
>>>>>>>>>>> src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py  # 3 doctests failed
>>>>>>>>>>> Running doctests with ID 2023-01-20-20-50-00-ee865d6d.
>>>>>>>>>>> Git branch: develop
>>>>>>>>>>> Git ref: 9.8.beta7
>>>>>>>>>>> Running with SAGE_LOCAL='/usr/local/sage-9/local' and 
>>>>>>>>>>> SAGE_VENV='/usr/local/sage-9/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10'
>>>>>>>>>>> Using 
>>>>>>>>>>> --optional=debian,dot2tex,fricas,gap_packages,libsemigroups,mathics,mathics_scanner,msolve,palettable,pint,pip,saclib,sage,sage_spkg
>>>>>>>>>>> Features to be detected: 
>>>>>>>>>>> 4ti2,benzene,bliss,buckygen,conway_polynomials,csdp,cvxopt,database_cremona_ellcurve,database_cremona_mini_ellcurve,database_cubic_hecke,database_jones_numfield,database_knotinfo,dvipng,gfan,graphviz,imagemagick,jupymake,kenzo,latte_int,lrslib,mcqd,meataxe,msolve,nauty,palp,pandoc,pdf2svg,pdftocairo,phitigra,plantri,polytopes_db,polytopes_db_4d,pynormaliz,python_igraph,rubiks,sage.combinat,sage.geometry.polyhedron,sage.graphs,sage.groups,sage.misc.cython,sage.plot,sage.rings.number_field,sage.rings.padics,sage.rings.real_double,sage.symbolic,sage_numerical_backends_coin,sagemath_doc_html,sphinx,tdlib
>>>>>>>>>>> Doctesting 1 file.
>>>>>>>>>>> sage -t --long --warn-long 259.6 
>>>>>>>>>>> --random-seed=41414648133166628206443904124754495105 
>>>>>>>>>>> src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>> File "src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py", line 894, in 
>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__
>>>>>>>>>>> Failed example:
>>>>>>>>>>>     fricas.__reduce__()                                         
>>>>>>>>>>>   # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>> Exception raised:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>>> 695, in _run
>>>>>>>>>>>         self.compile_and_execute(example, compiler, test.globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>>> 1093, in compile_and_execute
>>>>>>>>>>>         exec(compiled, globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>       File "<doctest 
>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__[0]>", line 1, in <module>
>>>>>>>>>>>         fricas.__reduce__()                                     
>>>>>>>>>>>       # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/lib/python3.10/copyreg.py", line 76, in 
>>>>>>>>>>> _reduce_ex
>>>>>>>>>>>         raise TypeError(f"cannot pickle {cls.__name__!r} object")
>>>>>>>>>>>     TypeError: cannot pickle 'LazyImport' object
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>> File "src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py", line 896, in 
>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__
>>>>>>>>>>> Failed example:
>>>>>>>>>>>     f, args = _                                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>   # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>> Exception raised:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>>> 695, in _run
>>>>>>>>>>>         self.compile_and_execute(example, compiler, test.globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>>> 1093, in compile_and_execute
>>>>>>>>>>>         exec(compiled, globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>       File "<doctest 
>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__[1]>", line 1, in <module>
>>>>>>>>>>>         f, args = _                                             
>>>>>>>>>>>       # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>     TypeError: cannot unpack non-iterable int object
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>> File "src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py", line 897, in 
>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__
>>>>>>>>>>> Failed example:
>>>>>>>>>>>     f(*args)                                                     
>>>>>>>>>>>  # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>> Exception raised:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>>> 695, in _run
>>>>>>>>>>>         self.compile_and_execute(example, compiler, test.globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>>> 1093, in compile_and_execute
>>>>>>>>>>>         exec(compiled, globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>       File "<doctest 
>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__[2]>", line 1, in <module>
>>>>>>>>>>>         f(*args)                                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>      # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>     NameError: name 'f' is not defined
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>> 1 item had failures:
>>>>>>>>>>>    3 of   4 in sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__
>>>>>>>>>>>     [277 tests, 3 failures, 42.89 s]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> sage -t --long --warn-long 259.6 
>>>>>>>>>>> --random-seed=41414648133166628206443904124754495105 
>>>>>>>>>>> src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py  # 3 doctests failed
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Total time for all tests: 48.0 seconds
>>>>>>>>>>>     cpu time: 4.2 seconds
>>>>>>>>>>>     cumulative wall time: 42.9 seconds
>>>>>>>>>>> Features detected for doctesting: 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>>>> Le jeudi 19 janvier 2023 à 00:48:25 UTC+1, Volker Braun a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As always, you can get the latest beta version from the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> "develop" git branch. Alternatively, the self-contained source 
>>>>>>>>>>>> tarball is 
>>>>>>>>>>>> at http://www.sagemath.org/download-latest.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We should probably gear up for a 9.8 release soon, so get your 
>>>>>>>>>>>> tickets ready ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 047281e0287 (trac/develop, tag: 9.8.beta7) Updated SageMath 
>>>>>>>>>>>> version to 9.8.beta7
>>>>>>>>>>>> 272c557d1f3 Trac #31668: Run TestSuite on polynomial rings
>>>>>>>>>>>> 6f8fb9ba3ef Trac #22067: generating function of integral points 
>>>>>>>>>>>> of polyhedra
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5544a33b815 Trac #21003: Add package pyscipopt, add MIP backend
>>>>>>>>>>>> b0422b2536b Trac #34838: setuptools_scm, contourpy, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> sphinxcontrib_websupport, typing_extensions: Add missing 
>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies
>>>>>>>>>>>> 30d58156a46 Trac #34717: Check the presence of lrsnash for 
>>>>>>>>>>>> obtain_nash()
>>>>>>>>>>>> c7299453922 Trac #34891: fixing some E502 in tensor, dynamics, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> modules, plot, numerical
>>>>>>>>>>>> bc832cb3578 Trac #34889: Installation guide: On WSL, clear 
>>>>>>>>>>>> /mnt/c stuff from PATH
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3570a9a63bd Trac #34881: allow to remove no constraints
>>>>>>>>>>>> 0ceb1032430 Trac #34878: 
>>>>>>>>>>>> MixedIntegerLinearProgram.add_constraint: Option to return row 
>>>>>>>>>>>> indices, fix 
>>>>>>>>>>>> handling of empty constraints
>>>>>>>>>>>> df74efb66d2 Trac #34859: sagelib: Remove unnecessary import of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> typing_extensions
>>>>>>>>>>>> b6a76d7a848 Trac #34857: bump giac's GIAC_MIN_VERSION to 1.9
>>>>>>>>>>>> 6a8155e6e5d Trac #34854: molien_series() should not use GAP's 
>>>>>>>>>>>> VirtualCharacter
>>>>>>>>>>>> dddf3ca0b08 Trac #34853: sage-env: Fix misconfiguration of pip
>>>>>>>>>>>> 6f631021ac4 Trac #34847: modernize some for loops in cython 
>>>>>>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>>>>>>> 9ffabc7f3e1 Trac #34844: removal of some unused imports about 
>>>>>>>>>>>> string conversion
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4b50bc2af27 Trac #34843: pep8 cleanup in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ore_polynomial_element.pyx
>>>>>>>>>>>> bdd14cec19b Trac #34837: fix E502 in some pyx files
>>>>>>>>>>>> 172ad73ae38 Trac #34836: fix E271 and E272 in rings/ and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> schemes/
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3d861266040 Trac #34749: Packages dsdp, scip_sdp
>>>>>>>>>>>> 64d232b5bfd Trac #31329: Update scipoptsuite to 8.0.2 (now open 
>>>>>>>>>>>> source!), rename to scip
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2dcafb3ac57 Trac #34839: Support tox 4
>>>>>>>>>>>> ad68f15d97f Trac #34648: Developer's guide: warn the transition 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to GitHub and add links to the transition guide
>>>>>>>>>>>> acebbc1a9e8 Trac #34824: do not include parent in hash of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> parking functions
>>>>>>>>>>>> 9a7b6310dde Trac #34818: Error when defining differentials over 
>>>>>>>>>>>> GCA's with relations.
>>>>>>>>>>>> bb63c582122 Trac #34807: Add Construction of Hadamard matrices 
>>>>>>>>>>>> up to order 664
>>>>>>>>>>>> 8a0b16d93be Trac #34804: Deprecate sage.interfaces 
>>>>>>>>>>>> is_...Element functions
>>>>>>>>>>>> 80f8f950e95 Trac #34793: clean 3 files inside modular
>>>>>>>>>>>> b0cc282500e Trac #34547: Interfaces: use more lazy imports, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> restore top-level functions maxima_console etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5905da7ebfc Trac #33915: inseparable elliptic-curve isogenies
>>>>>>>>>>>> 98b22ebdcf7 Trac #32826: scalar-multiplication endomorphisms of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic curves
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4f11a750df9 Trac #8744: Improve add_edge in BipartiteGraph to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> make it independent from the current coloring
>>>>>>>>>>>> 08aa2f8edaa Trac #33842: Upgrade python to 3.11
>>>>>>>>>>>> 75bedf95960 Trac #34783: various details in combinat/
>>>>>>>>>>>> 33fa8715bd5 Trac #34742: Optional package soplex (dependency of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> scip)
>>>>>>>>>>>> f84915f69d8 Trac #34726: Optional package papilo (dependency of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> scip)
>>>>>>>>>>>> e5cf1c0d9f2 Trac #34694: Bug in ExteriorAlgebra interior product
>>>>>>>>>>>> ebb9b611d02 Trac #34416: Manage pexpect logs created during 
>>>>>>>>>>>> doctesting
>>>>>>>>>>>> 962177a2da1 Trac #33907: interfaces/expect.py random test 
>>>>>>>>>>>> failure
>>>>>>>>>>>> 66409243991 Trac #16522: lazy_import doesn't resolve properly 
>>>>>>>>>>>> when indirectly imported
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2114066f877 (tag: 9.8.beta6) Updated SageMath version to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.8.beta6
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>

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