For reasons I really don't understand, removing these lines from 
sage.interfaces.all seem to have caused this:

-interfaces = ['gap', 'gap3', 'giac', 'gp', 'mathematica', 'gnuplot', \
-              'kash', 'magma', 'macaulay2', 'maple', 'maxima', \
-              'mathematica', 'mwrank', 'octave', 'r', \
-              'singular', 'sage0', 'sage']

At least if I restore those lines, or even just add a line "interfaces = 
[]", then emacs appears to work again. I haven't tried it very much, though.

I have absolutely no idea why this change would make a difference...


On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 12:52:29 PM UTC-8 [email protected] wrote:

> I tried to comment out all the changes in all_cmdline.py, but this didn't 
> help.  The diff of src/sage/interfaces/all.py is a bit unclear to me, I 
> don't see what could be a problem there. 
>
> On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 17:47:29 UTC+1 John H Palmieri wrote:
>
>> This was one of my guesses because that ticket could have changed global 
>> behavior of Sage by changing some imports — most of the tickets made more 
>> focused changes. Can you start with 9.8.beta6 and just apply some of the 
>> changes from #34547? In particular, do things work if you don't include the 
>> changes in all_cmdline.py?
>>
>> -- 
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:15:53 AM UTC-8 [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> I just spent some time to debug this, but I failed.  The problem seems 
>>> to be that sage-shell:wait-for-redirection-to-complete in 
>>> https://github.com/sagemath/sage-shell-mode/blob/80fbb4ee9ed8507d22214ed7a4ffd135c9e8c7c8/sage-shell-mode.el#L889
>>>  
>>> does not return.  There is only one python file involved, 
>>> https://github.com/sagemath/sage-shell-mode/blob/master/emacs_sage_shell.py,
>>>  
>>> but I do not see what #34547 has to do with it.  Something about 
>>> lazy_import maybe?
>>>
>>> I can see that in sage-shell:run-cell-raw-output the command
>>>
>>> _emacs_sage_shell.run_cell_and_print_msg_id("_emacs_sage_shell.print_sage_root()",
>>>  
>>> ’emacs_sage_shell_msg_idb3d6f70f24e51147305a3aea036ba747start’, 
>>> ’emacs_sage_shell_msg_idb3d6f70f24e51147305a3aea036ba747end’)
>>>
>>> was sent to the process (using process-send-string), and after that,
>>>
>>>         (sage-shell:wait-for-redirection-to-complete)
>>>
>>> never returns.  I don't know how to debug the python code, 
>>> unfortunately.  Most importantly, I don't see what changed - what does 
>>> #34547 have to do with it?
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 11:09:23 UTC+1 [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> Indeed, that was a great suggestion: 9.8.beta6 works - and it seems 
>>>> that #16522 was already in 9.8.beta6.  However 9.8.beta6 + #34547 fails.
>>>> Not sure where to go from here.  Should I open a ticket on trac?
>>>>
>>>> For me personally, this is a blocker, but I have no idea how many emacs 
>>>> users there are.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 10:21:11 UTC+1 [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for this suggestion!  I will try with 9.8.beta6 + #33842.  I 
>>>>> hope that all dependencies are in the branch.
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 21:32:10 UTC+1 John H Palmieri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Could it be #34547, #16522, or #33842? I'm just taking guesses based 
>>>>>> on the newly merged tickets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:42:37 AM UTC-8 
>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From someone called mantepse in the sage-shell-mode 
>>>>>>> <https://github.com/sagemath/sage-shell-mode/issues/69#issuecomment-1400278482>
>>>>>>>  issue 
>>>>>>> on github :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ```
>>>>>>> It is really strange: I have a 9.8.beta7 build and a 9.8.beta6 
>>>>>>> build. Apparently, if I first use the beta6 one for sage-shell-mode, I 
>>>>>>> can 
>>>>>>> then use beta7 in the same emacs session.
>>>>>>> ```
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't get it either...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are two short Python files in the current `sahe-shell-mode` 
>>>>>>> emacs package, which are my prime suspects for an incompatibility with 
>>>>>>> Python 3.11. Now for a strategy for debugging *this*...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any idea ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le lundi 23 janvier 2023 à 10:48:48 UTC+1, [email protected] a 
>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Emacs stopped working for me again!  I don't get it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is terrible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 22 January 2023 at 14:41:04 UTC+1 [email protected] 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This patches fix my Fricas issue indeed. But losing the Emacs 
>>>>>>>>> interface is a big hit for me, so I revert to 9.6.beta6 for now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you nevertheless !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Le vendredi 20 janvier 2023 à 22:58:53 UTC+1, John H Palmieri a 
>>>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the hopes that this will fix it, I opened 
>>>>>>>>>> https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/34927.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-8 John H Palmieri 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Does this change fix the fricas.py failure?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> diff --git a/src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py 
>>>>>>>>>>> b/src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py
>>>>>>>>>>> index dc2ce71f26..ceba6f90dc 100644
>>>>>>>>>>> --- a/src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py
>>>>>>>>>>> +++ b/src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py
>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -891,7 +891,7 @@ http://fricas.sourceforge.net.
>>>>>>>>>>>          """
>>>>>>>>>>>          EXAMPLES::
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> -            sage: fricas.__reduce__()                           
>>>>>>>>>>>                 # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>> +            sage: FriCAS().__reduce__()                         
>>>>>>>>>>>                 # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>              (<function reduce_load_fricas at 0x...>, ())
>>>>>>>>>>>              sage: f, args = _                                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                 # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>              sage: f(*args) 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 12:34:21 PM UTC-8 
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apart from the  Emacs issye alteady reported 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/sage-release/c/QRjzctTlVeU/m/MKACzqcVAQAJ>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>> I get the three permanent failures I reported for the previous 
>>>>>>>>>>>> betas, as 
>>>>>>>>>>>> well as a new one, which gives three errors :
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> charpent@zen-book-flip:/usr/local/sage-9$ sage -t --long 
>>>>>>>>>>>> --warn-long 259.6 
>>>>>>>>>>>> --random-seed=41414648133166628206443904124754495105 
>>>>>>>>>>>> src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py  # 3 doctests failed
>>>>>>>>>>>> Running doctests with ID 2023-01-20-20-50-00-ee865d6d.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Git branch: develop
>>>>>>>>>>>> Git ref: 9.8.beta7
>>>>>>>>>>>> Running with SAGE_LOCAL='/usr/local/sage-9/local' and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> SAGE_VENV='/usr/local/sage-9/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10'
>>>>>>>>>>>> Using 
>>>>>>>>>>>> --optional=debian,dot2tex,fricas,gap_packages,libsemigroups,mathics,mathics_scanner,msolve,palettable,pint,pip,saclib,sage,sage_spkg
>>>>>>>>>>>> Features to be detected: 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4ti2,benzene,bliss,buckygen,conway_polynomials,csdp,cvxopt,database_cremona_ellcurve,database_cremona_mini_ellcurve,database_cubic_hecke,database_jones_numfield,database_knotinfo,dvipng,gfan,graphviz,imagemagick,jupymake,kenzo,latte_int,lrslib,mcqd,meataxe,msolve,nauty,palp,pandoc,pdf2svg,pdftocairo,phitigra,plantri,polytopes_db,polytopes_db_4d,pynormaliz,python_igraph,rubiks,sage.combinat,sage.geometry.polyhedron,sage.graphs,sage.groups,sage.misc.cython,sage.plot,sage.rings.number_field,sage.rings.padics,sage.rings.real_double,sage.symbolic,sage_numerical_backends_coin,sagemath_doc_html,sphinx,tdlib
>>>>>>>>>>>> Doctesting 1 file.
>>>>>>>>>>>> sage -t --long --warn-long 259.6 
>>>>>>>>>>>> --random-seed=41414648133166628206443904124754495105 
>>>>>>>>>>>> src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>> File "src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py", line 894, in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__
>>>>>>>>>>>> Failed example:
>>>>>>>>>>>>     fricas.__reduce__()                                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>   # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>> Exception raised:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 695, in _run
>>>>>>>>>>>>         self.compile_and_execute(example, compiler, test.globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1093, in compile_and_execute
>>>>>>>>>>>>         exec(compiled, globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "<doctest 
>>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__[0]>", line 1, in <module>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         fricas.__reduce__()                                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>       # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/lib/python3.10/copyreg.py", line 76, in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> _reduce_ex
>>>>>>>>>>>>         raise TypeError(f"cannot pickle {cls.__name__!r} 
>>>>>>>>>>>> object")
>>>>>>>>>>>>     TypeError: cannot pickle 'LazyImport' object
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>> File "src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py", line 896, in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__
>>>>>>>>>>>> Failed example:
>>>>>>>>>>>>     f, args = _                                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>   # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>> Exception raised:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 695, in _run
>>>>>>>>>>>>         self.compile_and_execute(example, compiler, test.globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1093, in compile_and_execute
>>>>>>>>>>>>         exec(compiled, globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "<doctest 
>>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__[1]>", line 1, in <module>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         f, args = _                                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>       # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>>     TypeError: cannot unpack non-iterable int object
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>> File "src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py", line 897, in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__
>>>>>>>>>>>> Failed example:
>>>>>>>>>>>>     f(*args)                                                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>    # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>> Exception raised:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 695, in _run
>>>>>>>>>>>>         self.compile_and_execute(example, compiler, test.globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1093, in compile_and_execute
>>>>>>>>>>>>         exec(compiled, globs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>       File "<doctest 
>>>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__[2]>", line 1, in <module>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         f(*args)                                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>        # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>>>     NameError: name 'f' is not defined
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 item had failures:
>>>>>>>>>>>>    3 of   4 in sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__
>>>>>>>>>>>>     [277 tests, 3 failures, 42.89 s]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> sage -t --long --warn-long 259.6 
>>>>>>>>>>>> --random-seed=41414648133166628206443904124754495105 
>>>>>>>>>>>> src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py  # 3 doctests failed
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Total time for all tests: 48.0 seconds
>>>>>>>>>>>>     cpu time: 4.2 seconds
>>>>>>>>>>>>     cumulative wall time: 42.9 seconds
>>>>>>>>>>>> Features detected for doctesting: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Le jeudi 19 janvier 2023 à 00:48:25 UTC+1, Volker Braun a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As always, you can get the latest beta version from the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "develop" git branch. Alternatively, the self-contained source 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tarball is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at http://www.sagemath.org/download-latest.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We should probably gear up for a 9.8 release soon, so get your 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tickets ready ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 047281e0287 (trac/develop, tag: 9.8.beta7) Updated SageMath 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> version to 9.8.beta7
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 272c557d1f3 Trac #31668: Run TestSuite on polynomial rings
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6f8fb9ba3ef Trac #22067: generating function of integral 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> points of polyhedra
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5544a33b815 Trac #21003: Add package pyscipopt, add MIP backend
>>>>>>>>>>>>> b0422b2536b Trac #34838: setuptools_scm, contourpy, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sphinxcontrib_websupport, typing_extensions: Add missing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30d58156a46 Trac #34717: Check the presence of lrsnash for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> obtain_nash()
>>>>>>>>>>>>> c7299453922 Trac #34891: fixing some E502 in tensor, dynamics, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> modules, plot, numerical
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bc832cb3578 Trac #34889: Installation guide: On WSL, clear 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /mnt/c stuff from PATH
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3570a9a63bd Trac #34881: allow to remove no constraints
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0ceb1032430 Trac #34878: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MixedIntegerLinearProgram.add_constraint: Option to return row 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> indices, fix 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> handling of empty constraints
>>>>>>>>>>>>> df74efb66d2 Trac #34859: sagelib: Remove unnecessary import of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> typing_extensions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> b6a76d7a848 Trac #34857: bump giac's GIAC_MIN_VERSION to 1.9
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6a8155e6e5d Trac #34854: molien_series() should not use GAP's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> VirtualCharacter
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dddf3ca0b08 Trac #34853: sage-env: Fix misconfiguration of pip
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6f631021ac4 Trac #34847: modernize some for loops in cython 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9ffabc7f3e1 Trac #34844: removal of some unused imports about 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> string conversion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4b50bc2af27 Trac #34843: pep8 cleanup in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ore_polynomial_element.pyx
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bdd14cec19b Trac #34837: fix E502 in some pyx files
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 172ad73ae38 Trac #34836: fix E271 and E272 in rings/ and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> schemes/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3d861266040 Trac #34749: Packages dsdp, scip_sdp
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 64d232b5bfd Trac #31329: Update scipoptsuite to 8.0.2 (now 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> open source!), rename to scip
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2dcafb3ac57 Trac #34839: Support tox 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ad68f15d97f Trac #34648: Developer's guide: warn the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition to GitHub and add links to the transition guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> acebbc1a9e8 Trac #34824: do not include parent in hash of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> parking functions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9a7b6310dde Trac #34818: Error when defining differentials 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> over GCA's with relations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bb63c582122 Trac #34807: Add Construction of Hadamard matrices 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up to order 664
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8a0b16d93be Trac #34804: Deprecate sage.interfaces 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is_...Element functions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 80f8f950e95 Trac #34793: clean 3 files inside modular
>>>>>>>>>>>>> b0cc282500e Trac #34547: Interfaces: use more lazy imports, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> restore top-level functions maxima_console etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5905da7ebfc Trac #33915: inseparable elliptic-curve isogenies
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 98b22ebdcf7 Trac #32826: scalar-multiplication endomorphisms 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of elliptic curves
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4f11a750df9 Trac #8744: Improve add_edge in BipartiteGraph to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make it independent from the current coloring
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 08aa2f8edaa Trac #33842: Upgrade python to 3.11
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 75bedf95960 Trac #34783: various details in combinat/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 33fa8715bd5 Trac #34742: Optional package soplex (dependency 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of scip)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> f84915f69d8 Trac #34726: Optional package papilo (dependency 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of scip)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> e5cf1c0d9f2 Trac #34694: Bug in ExteriorAlgebra interior 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ebb9b611d02 Trac #34416: Manage pexpect logs created during 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doctesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 962177a2da1 Trac #33907: interfaces/expect.py random test 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 66409243991 Trac #16522: lazy_import doesn't resolve properly 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when indirectly imported
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2114066f877 (tag: 9.8.beta6) Updated SageMath version to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.8.beta6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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