Maybe this is naive, but if you're testing a change from the old situation, where Python 3.13 was not allowed, to now allowing it, I might imagine that you would test it on standard supported platforms, like OS X with Python 3.13 installed via homebrew. We should back out the change until it's implemented correctly.
On Tuesday, February 25, 2025 at 6:46:41 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > On 24 February 2025 23:52:36 GMT-06:00, John H Palmieri < > [email protected]> wrote: > >Sage should work out of the box without "--enable-system-site-packages". > > > The box has become so heavy that one needs a forklift to do anything with > it :-) > > > > If > >it doesn't, that's a bug in Sage. How about we don't allow Python 3.13 if > >it's broken? Why wasn't this caught in testing? > > well, Sage with Python 3.13 works on Linux, > and is default on some. > > It appears that there are dozens of macOS/apple toolchain/apple hardware > combos, and each of them has its very own set of bugs, misfeatures, > multiple dodgy Python installs, etc. > > We can't possibly test for all of them. > > And please don't force on Sage developers the need to dig up and reproduce > solutions by Homebrew, which has 10 times more developers and nontrivial > funding, solutions which are already there. > > What's wrong with using the flag above, if it works? > > I hope William S. forgives me if I quote his up to date opinion on Macs: > > ----- > For me, Macs are reasonable as basically "Chromebooks" that can also > run Linux VM's pretty well and keep track of photos and video. Beyond > that it's extremely painful, and I vastly prefer Linux for all things > dev/server/remote. > ----- > > My opinion is similar - except that the only use of Mac I have is to cause > myself extreme pain by trying to fix never ending macOS - specific > issues. > > On macOS, either we embrace Homebrew and use it to get external > dependencies, or we use Conda. Current "build everything from ground up" > has become next to impossible in any reliable way. > > > Dima > > > > > > > >On Monday, February 24, 2025 at 7:34:13 PM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 5:44 PM John H Palmieri <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > On OS X 15.3.1 with many homebrew packages installed, including both > >> Python 3.12 and Python 3.13: > >> > > >> > - if I use Python 3.13, `pillow` and `cffi` fail to build. (I used > >> "./configure", and I also tried after applying the patch from #39570) > >> > >> how about using installing pillow and cffi in Homebrew, and doing > >> > >> ./configure --enable-system-site-packages > >> > >> This should pick them from Homebrew. (If it doesn't it's a Sage bug I > >> suppose) > >> > >> Frankly speaking I am less than excited to try to figure out what goes > >> wrong in sdh_pip_install > >> in this case. Homebrew can do it... > >> > >> > - if I use Python 3.12, then `pillow` and `cffi` and indeed > everything > >> builds successfully. (I used "./configure --with-python=`which > python3.12`") > >> > > >> > > >> > On Friday, February 21, 2025 at 3:40:17 PM UTC-8 Volker Braun wrote: > >> >> > >> >> As always, you can get the latest beta version from the "develop" > git > >> branch. Alternatively, the self-contained source tarball is at > >> http://www.sagemath.org/download-latest.html > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 9cd86e9596a (tag: 10.6.beta7, github/develop) Updated SageMath > version > >> to 10.6.beta7 > >> >> c2766d1f625 gh-39541: Remove dead mailing lists. > >> >> 54951498178 gh-39536: Fix a nonfunctional long time doctest tag > >> >> 5289298248a gh-39533: build/pkgs: update eclib to version 20250122 > >> >> 7420a272382 gh-39530: Improvement to flint_autogen reader > >> >> cee1e2b52f9 gh-39527: Test on CI that update-meson is properly ran > >> >> a007379b910 gh-39523: multi polynomial element/repr > >> >> 850493472d5 gh-39521: rename also set-like species > >> >> bd626efc02f gh-39518: line_graph for multigraphs > >> >> 72c6188116a gh-39513: Show test failures of ci-meson as annotations > >> >> 4f4c1203415 gh-39510: add of the function rank_support_of_vector > >> >> 2af3de6fa6e gh-39509: Add a doctest for > >> HomsetsCategory._make_named_class_key > >> >> d8b7cdfcecb gh-39508: Fix some typo > >> >> b567299fbbb gh-39506: New algorithm for cuts of a Poset > >> >> 88672d71a29 gh-39505: Improve handling of strings supplied as matrix > >> entries > >> >> 935232df552 gh-39504: Implement im_gens in the class > fraction_field_FpT > >> >> a01815fda00 gh-39499: Improve sage_getfile by looking at __init__ > >> >> b7da8f23c43 gh-39498: Apply sort and filter of walk_packages > >> consistently > >> >> 3500f616037 gh-39497: moving random_element to category of rings > >> >> e368fa71812 gh-39496: Add deformation cones and checking for > regularity > >> for Point Configurations and normal fans of Polyhedra > >> >> 8978ff83f52 gh-39495: Add documentation of Gabidulin codes in the > >> reference manual > >> >> 98eec5d86fe gh-39494: Fix more doctests in meson_editable install > >> >> cfbaaf16be2 gh-39491: fixing doctests failures in misc/latex*.py > >> >> a2737325c19 gh-39489: fix several oeis related doctests > >> >> 8a44c7365b7 gh-39488: Fix issue on matrix construction over integer > mod > >> ring for large coefficients > >> >> 78a3eede92c gh-39487: Improvement of the rendering of the > documentation > >> in polynomial sequence > >> >> 34b7f9050fb gh-39486: Finish changing Rational's round method > default > >> rounding to even > >> >> 04afcf71552 gh-39485: Implement conversion from laurent series to > >> rational function field > >> >> ae158663847 gh-39482: fix one typo > >> >> 83f7d065286 gh-39481: Fixed issue in list_plot where it assumed data > >> had been enumerated when it might not have been > >> >> 8e204dde3b3 gh-39479: Fixed crash when exp(0) of p-adic numbers is > >> called > >> >> 11ee7ca4e19 gh-39477: typing and details in tableaux files > >> >> c61e562de76 gh-39476: typing annotation for gens method in rings and > >> groups (pyx files) > >> >> 85ce297ff2c gh-39474: convert gens method in modular to return tuple > >> >> c732c6552e4 gh-39473: add tuple typing to gens methods in algebras > >> >> 556d5f0eb80 gh-39466: remove some deprecations in groups > >> >> c22e48480c3 gh-39456: Trivial simplifications for arccos > >> >> 68744be391e gh-39454: remove deprecated stuff in permutation.py > >> >> 784ff00867a gh-39449: Magma padics > >> >> 897e722c74e gh-39423: Use import_module instead of find_spec > >> >> 870aba20786 gh-39397: details in braid groups > >> >> e6975bebe80 gh-39381: Allow system python 3.13 > >> >> b57e33797cf gh-39366: Add documentation to LaurentSeries point to > >> accessors > >> >> 357f95e088c gh-39365: Allow coercion from Frac(QQ[x]) to > >> LaurentSeriesRing(QQ) > >> >> 041336691f6 gh-39266: add parameter immutable to generators in > >> `sage/graphs/digraph_generators.py` (part 2) > >> >> e0806107d60 gh-39251: Require Python 3.11 or newer; remove outdated > >> workarounds > >> >> ac8406fba6a gh-39248: introduce new apozeta polynomial for posets > >> >> 10edc54de0a gh-39215: Class polynomial for Drinfeld modules > >> >> 2e0d6d201bf gh-39214: Add keyword prec for exponential and logarithm > of > >> Drinfeld modules > >> >> b5c26156430 gh-39212: Refactor period lattice > >> >> d0e72a61433 gh-39128: Add note about makeflags and ninja parallelism > >> >> 067ebbd0c8c gh-39093: Improve hack used in debug_options > >> >> a89c57b64f8 gh-39092: Remove erroneous member declaration in > >> farey_symbol > >> >> cc231ef0353 gh-39061: Fix some errors in documentation of cachefunc > >> >> f0581cbe397 gh-39025: Add reseed_rng option to p_iter_fork > >> >> 290b261bc4f gh-38986: Allow CRT_list() to be called with one argument > >> >> 0a278fc918e gh-38824: Turn some doctests in `ell_rational_field.py` > >> into long tests > >> >> c43cd23ee83 gh-38650: Add support for pseudomorphisms > >> >> 6e82ee51eb9 gh-38108: Implicit function solver for lazy series > >> >> 42d00ed27b3 gh-37173: Implemented `.ramified_places` and modified > >> further methods to extend quaternion algebra functionality to number > fields > >> >> 8d7107c1aab gh-37158: use Parent in quotient rings too > >> >> 766c7a0c5b8 (tag: 10.6.beta6) Updated SageMath version to 10.6.beta6 > >> > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "sage-release" group. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send > >> an email to [email protected]. > >> > To view this discussion visit > >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/aa27984d-e9b6-4eb4-b4a1-a422672e26a6n%40googlegroups.com > >> . > >> > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. 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