I agree that we should use as many homebrew packages as possible, but how can we ensure that we follow the upgrades ? For instance the versions of openblas (0.3.29), gsl (2.8), numpy (2.2.3), scipy (1.15.2) and pari (2.17.1) are newer on homebrew than what we accept.
I'm currently facing the following issue: ipykernel fails to compile and reports that it is unable to find jupyter_core. But configure says: jupyter_core: using system package; SPKG will not be installed I'm currently trying to compile from scratch with --with-system-jupyter_core=no. We'll see if it's better. On Tuesday, February 25, 2025 at 6:16:24 PM UTC+1 John H Palmieri wrote: > Maybe this is naive, but if you're testing a change from the old > situation, where Python 3.13 was not allowed, to now allowing it, I might > imagine that you would test it on standard supported platforms, like OS X > with Python 3.13 installed via homebrew. We should back out the change > until it's implemented correctly. > > > On Tuesday, February 25, 2025 at 6:46:41 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote: > >> >> >> On 24 February 2025 23:52:36 GMT-06:00, John H Palmieri < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >Sage should work out of the box without "--enable-system-site-packages". >> >> >> The box has become so heavy that one needs a forklift to do anything with >> it :-) >> >> >> > If >> >it doesn't, that's a bug in Sage. How about we don't allow Python 3.13 >> if >> >it's broken? Why wasn't this caught in testing? >> >> well, Sage with Python 3.13 works on Linux, >> and is default on some. >> >> It appears that there are dozens of macOS/apple toolchain/apple hardware >> combos, and each of them has its very own set of bugs, misfeatures, >> multiple dodgy Python installs, etc. >> >> We can't possibly test for all of them. >> >> And please don't force on Sage developers the need to dig up and >> reproduce solutions by Homebrew, which has 10 times more developers and >> nontrivial funding, solutions which are already there. >> >> What's wrong with using the flag above, if it works? >> >> I hope William S. forgives me if I quote his up to date opinion on Macs: >> >> ----- >> For me, Macs are reasonable as basically "Chromebooks" that can also >> run Linux VM's pretty well and keep track of photos and video. Beyond >> that it's extremely painful, and I vastly prefer Linux for all things >> dev/server/remote. >> ----- >> >> My opinion is similar - except that the only use of Mac I have is to >> cause myself extreme pain by trying to fix never ending macOS - specific >> issues. >> >> On macOS, either we embrace Homebrew and use it to get external >> dependencies, or we use Conda. Current "build everything from ground up" >> has become next to impossible in any reliable way. >> >> >> Dima >> >> >> > >> > >> >On Monday, February 24, 2025 at 7:34:13 PM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> > >> >> On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 5:44 PM John H Palmieri <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > On OS X 15.3.1 with many homebrew packages installed, including both >> >> Python 3.12 and Python 3.13: >> >> > >> >> > - if I use Python 3.13, `pillow` and `cffi` fail to build. (I used >> >> "./configure", and I also tried after applying the patch from #39570) >> >> >> >> how about using installing pillow and cffi in Homebrew, and doing >> >> >> >> ./configure --enable-system-site-packages >> >> >> >> This should pick them from Homebrew. (If it doesn't it's a Sage bug I >> >> suppose) >> >> >> >> Frankly speaking I am less than excited to try to figure out what goes >> >> wrong in sdh_pip_install >> >> in this case. Homebrew can do it... >> >> >> >> > - if I use Python 3.12, then `pillow` and `cffi` and indeed >> everything >> >> builds successfully. (I used "./configure --with-python=`which >> python3.12`") >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Friday, February 21, 2025 at 3:40:17 PM UTC-8 Volker Braun wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> As always, you can get the latest beta version from the "develop" >> git >> >> branch. Alternatively, the self-contained source tarball is at >> >> http://www.sagemath.org/download-latest.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 9cd86e9596a (tag: 10.6.beta7, github/develop) Updated SageMath >> version >> >> to 10.6.beta7 >> >> >> c2766d1f625 gh-39541: Remove dead mailing lists. >> >> >> 54951498178 gh-39536: Fix a nonfunctional long time doctest tag >> >> >> 5289298248a gh-39533: build/pkgs: update eclib to version 20250122 >> >> >> 7420a272382 gh-39530: Improvement to flint_autogen reader >> >> >> cee1e2b52f9 gh-39527: Test on CI that update-meson is properly ran >> >> >> a007379b910 gh-39523: multi polynomial element/repr >> >> >> 850493472d5 gh-39521: rename also set-like species >> >> >> bd626efc02f gh-39518: line_graph for multigraphs >> >> >> 72c6188116a gh-39513: Show test failures of ci-meson as annotations >> >> >> 4f4c1203415 gh-39510: add of the function rank_support_of_vector >> >> >> 2af3de6fa6e gh-39509: Add a doctest for >> >> HomsetsCategory._make_named_class_key >> >> >> d8b7cdfcecb gh-39508: Fix some typo >> >> >> b567299fbbb gh-39506: New algorithm for cuts of a Poset >> >> >> 88672d71a29 gh-39505: Improve handling of strings supplied as >> matrix >> >> entries >> >> >> 935232df552 gh-39504: Implement im_gens in the class >> fraction_field_FpT >> >> >> a01815fda00 gh-39499: Improve sage_getfile by looking at __init__ >> >> >> b7da8f23c43 gh-39498: Apply sort and filter of walk_packages >> >> consistently >> >> >> 3500f616037 gh-39497: moving random_element to category of rings >> >> >> e368fa71812 gh-39496: Add deformation cones and checking for >> regularity >> >> for Point Configurations and normal fans of Polyhedra >> >> >> 8978ff83f52 gh-39495: Add documentation of Gabidulin codes in the >> >> reference manual >> >> >> 98eec5d86fe gh-39494: Fix more doctests in meson_editable install >> >> >> cfbaaf16be2 gh-39491: fixing doctests failures in misc/latex*.py >> >> >> a2737325c19 gh-39489: fix several oeis related doctests >> >> >> 8a44c7365b7 gh-39488: Fix issue on matrix construction over integer >> mod >> >> ring for large coefficients >> >> >> 78a3eede92c gh-39487: Improvement of the rendering of the >> documentation >> >> in polynomial sequence >> >> >> 34b7f9050fb gh-39486: Finish changing Rational's round method >> default >> >> rounding to even >> >> >> 04afcf71552 gh-39485: Implement conversion from laurent series to >> >> rational function field >> >> >> ae158663847 gh-39482: fix one typo >> >> >> 83f7d065286 gh-39481: Fixed issue in list_plot where it assumed >> data >> >> had been enumerated when it might not have been >> >> >> 8e204dde3b3 gh-39479: Fixed crash when exp(0) of p-adic numbers is >> >> called >> >> >> 11ee7ca4e19 gh-39477: typing and details in tableaux files >> >> >> c61e562de76 gh-39476: typing annotation for gens method in rings >> and >> >> groups (pyx files) >> >> >> 85ce297ff2c gh-39474: convert gens method in modular to return >> tuple >> >> >> c732c6552e4 gh-39473: add tuple typing to gens methods in algebras >> >> >> 556d5f0eb80 gh-39466: remove some deprecations in groups >> >> >> c22e48480c3 gh-39456: Trivial simplifications for arccos >> >> >> 68744be391e gh-39454: remove deprecated stuff in permutation.py >> >> >> 784ff00867a gh-39449: Magma padics >> >> >> 897e722c74e gh-39423: Use import_module instead of find_spec >> >> >> 870aba20786 gh-39397: details in braid groups >> >> >> e6975bebe80 gh-39381: Allow system python 3.13 >> >> >> b57e33797cf gh-39366: Add documentation to LaurentSeries point to >> >> accessors >> >> >> 357f95e088c gh-39365: Allow coercion from Frac(QQ[x]) to >> >> LaurentSeriesRing(QQ) >> >> >> 041336691f6 gh-39266: add parameter immutable to generators in >> >> `sage/graphs/digraph_generators.py` (part 2) >> >> >> e0806107d60 gh-39251: Require Python 3.11 or newer; remove outdated >> >> workarounds >> >> >> ac8406fba6a gh-39248: introduce new apozeta polynomial for posets >> >> >> 10edc54de0a gh-39215: Class polynomial for Drinfeld modules >> >> >> 2e0d6d201bf gh-39214: Add keyword prec for exponential and >> logarithm of >> >> Drinfeld modules >> >> >> b5c26156430 gh-39212: Refactor period lattice >> >> >> d0e72a61433 gh-39128: Add note about makeflags and ninja >> parallelism >> >> >> 067ebbd0c8c gh-39093: Improve hack used in debug_options >> >> >> a89c57b64f8 gh-39092: Remove erroneous member declaration in >> >> farey_symbol >> >> >> cc231ef0353 gh-39061: Fix some errors in documentation of cachefunc >> >> >> f0581cbe397 gh-39025: Add reseed_rng option to p_iter_fork >> >> >> 290b261bc4f gh-38986: Allow CRT_list() to be called with one >> argument >> >> >> 0a278fc918e gh-38824: Turn some doctests in `ell_rational_field.py` >> >> into long tests >> >> >> c43cd23ee83 gh-38650: Add support for pseudomorphisms >> >> >> 6e82ee51eb9 gh-38108: Implicit function solver for lazy series >> >> >> 42d00ed27b3 gh-37173: Implemented `.ramified_places` and modified >> >> further methods to extend quaternion algebra functionality to number >> fields >> >> >> 8d7107c1aab gh-37158: use Parent in quotient rings too >> >> >> 766c7a0c5b8 (tag: 10.6.beta6) Updated SageMath version to >> 10.6.beta6 >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> Groups "sage-release" group. >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send >> >> an email to [email protected]. >> >> > To view this discussion visit >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/aa27984d-e9b6-4eb4-b4a1-a422672e26a6n%40googlegroups.com >> >> >> . >> >> >> > >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. 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