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On 2011/08/09, at 9:25, Jin Tomang <[email protected]> wrote:

> Style nya S&P memang begitu grasak grusuk, Indonesia saja pernah dapat 
> Selective Default 3 kali, tanggal 29 Maret 1999, 17 April 2000, & 23 April 
> 2002. 
> Yang aneh saat tanggal 29 Maret 1999, tanggal 30 Maret besoknya langsung 
> direvisi/naik  ke CCC+ lagi
> Beda dengan Fitch dan Moodys yang cenderung "kalem"
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> Rgs
> JNTM
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> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Yhoji Gambler <[email protected]> 
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> Stubborn & Pathetic :p
> I couldn't agree more... xixixi
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> (btw, mr + jingkrak2 nih denger ini, soal si fannie dan si freddie)
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> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Dimas Yoga <[email protected]> wrote:
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> S&P downgrades Fannie and Freddie, US-backed debt
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> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/SampP-to-review-ratings-for-apf-1344749763.html;_ylt=AuLYbVLghgARDWwHIAD42uK7YWsA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3NjdqZG5zBHBvcwMxBHNlYwNicmVha2luZ05ld3MEc2xrA3NhbXBwZG93bmdyYQ--?x=0
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> Dari sekian banyak lembaga pemeringkat sepertinya S&P lagi kurang harmonis 
> hubungannya nih sama pemerintah AS. Sebagaimana diketahui S&P dikuasai oleh 
> kubu Republik yang merupakan oposisi kubu Demokrat yang berkuasa saat ini. 
> Tapi semoga saja tidak ada aroma politik didalamnya, hehe 
> 
> Fitch sama Moody's sementara ini masih adem ayem belom ketularan latah 
> downgrade yang dikeluarkan S&P. Semoga saja masih diamnya Fitch dan Moody 
> tidak menyimpan bom waktu yang akan digunakan untuk menekan Dow dikemudian 
> hari (setiap Dow rebond dikit langsung diguyur sama bad news) hehe.. 
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> Bahkan pelaku pasar di Amerika sendiri banyak yang kontra dengan keputusan 
> S&P mendowngrade Fannie & Freddie. Komentar dari beberapa pengunjung Yahoo :
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> "I know I sound crazy here, but why dont we just wage war on Standard and 
> Poor??? There downgrade poses a threat to the well being of the United States 
> and ultimately the world market. That very threat could be construed as being 
> one of terror. I know it sounds crazy, I myself see it as such, but entered 
> Iraq and liberated on terms that really didnt add up. Dictatorship and 
> tyranny isnt what I am looking for, but if this country were to fall from 
> grace on this very credit rating and other countries have seen this credit 
> rating harm their economic balance why not just declare war on the agency. "
> 
> "If you're affected by all this, you know what to do with S&P (the "Stubborn 
> & Pathetic")"
> 
> "if s&p was so reliable why were we not downgraded when the savings and loan 
> companies collasped in the 80's remember them biggest govt bailout so this 
> seems to be more politics than saying the worlds largest economy and a gdp of 
> over 15 trillion is not a safe bet then hey go invest in russia or china or 
> north korea or somalia those seem like well run places that will protect you 
> and give you rights lol"
> 
> "Hows that hope and change working for ya America, thanks community organizer 
> and chief for stealing my retirement."
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> It's the gift that keeps on giving. Thanks, politicians. I'll be sure to 
> share my appreciation come November 2012.
> 
> "The S&P is a loser, after all they showed what they knew when they rated 
> toxic assets AAA. I wonder what the GOP is paying them to cause the stock 
> market to fall so their wealthy patrons can buy it cheap and make another 
> load of money pushing it up, and getting institutions buying in to make up 
> for their loses. BOYCOTT WALLSTREET"
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> Bahkan ada yang berpikir mungkin kredibilitas S&P yang perlu di-downgrade :
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> "lmao. S&P are the ones who rated junk mortgage back securities that Fannie 
> was securing AAA.
> think it's about time we downgrade S&P"
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> Boleh percaya boleh engga, tapi kita coba lihat reaksi pasar IHSG besok, 
> apakah pengaruh S&P masih cukup kuat untuk kembali menekan pasar kita? Kalau 
> boleh ikut lembaga pemeringkat, saya lebih baik ikut PEFINDO aja deh yang 
> asli Iindonesia, enak aja turunin peringkat di Amerika tapi menekan pasar dan 
> cari barang murah di negeri orang, hehe.
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> Disclaimer ON
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> Salam,
> Dimas
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