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From: Fred Krueger <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, August 9, 2011 9:44:25 AM
Subject: Re: [saham] S&P berulah lagi
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On 2011/08/09, at 9:25, Jin Tomang <[email protected]> wrote:
>Style nya S&P memang begitu grasak grusuk, Indonesia saja pernah dapat
>Selective
>Default 3 kali, tanggal 29 Maret 1999, 17 April 2000, & 23 April 2002.
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>Yang aneh saat tanggal 29 Maret 1999, tanggal 30 Maret besoknya langsung
>direvisi/naik ke CCC+ lagi
>Beda dengan Fitch dan Moodys yang cenderung "kalem"
>
>Rgs
>JNTM
>
>
>On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Yhoji Gambler <[email protected]>
>wrote:
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>>>>>Stubborn & Pathetic :p
>>>>>I couldn't agree more... xixixi
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>>>>>(btw, mr + jingkrak2 nih denger ini, soal si fannie dan si freddie)
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>>>>>On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Dimas Yoga <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
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>>>>>>S&P downgrades Fannie and Freddie, US-backed debt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://finance.yahoo.com/news/SampP-to-review-ratings-for-apf-1344749763.html;_ylt=AuLYbVLghgARDWwHIAD42uK7YWsA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3NjdqZG5zBHBvcwMxBHNlYwNicmVha2luZ05ld3MEc2xrA3NhbXBwZG93bmdyYQ--?x=0
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>>>>>>Dari sekian banyak lembaga pemeringkat sepertinya S&P lagi kurang
>>>>>>harmonis
>>>>>>hubungannya nih sama pemerintah AS. Sebagaimana diketahui S&P dikuasai
>>>>>>oleh kubu
>>>>>>Republik yang merupakan oposisi kubu Demokrat yang berkuasa saat ini.
>>>>>>Tapi
>>>>>>semoga saja tidak ada aroma politik didalamnya, hehe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fitch sama Moody's sementara ini masih adem ayem belom ketularan latah
>>>>>>downgrade
>>>>>>yang dikeluarkan S&P. Semoga saja masih diamnya Fitch dan Moody tidak
>>>>>>menyimpan
>>>>>>bom waktu yang akan digunakan untuk menekan Dow dikemudian hari (setiap
>>>>>>Dow
>>>>>>rebond dikit langsung diguyur sama bad news) hehe..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bahkan pelaku pasar di Amerika sendiri banyak yang kontra dengan
>>>>>>keputusan S&P
>>>>>>mendowngrade Fannie & Freddie. Komentar dari beberapa pengunjung Yahoo :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"I know I sound crazy here, but why dont we just wage war on Standard and
>>>>>>Poor??? There downgrade poses a threat to the well being of the United
>>>>>>States
>>>>>>and ultimately the world market. That very threat could be construed as
>>>>>>being
>>>>>>one of terror. I know it sounds crazy, I myself see it as such, but
>>>>>>entered Iraq
>>>>>>and liberated on terms that really didnt add up. Dictatorship and tyranny
>>>>>>isnt
>>>>>>what I am looking for, but if this country were to fall from grace on
>>>>>>this very
>>>>>>credit rating and other countries have seen this credit rating harm their
>>>>>>economic balance why not just declare war on the agency. "
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"If you're affected by all this, you know what to do with S&P (the
>>>>>>"Stubborn &
>>>>>>Pathetic")"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"if s&p was so reliable why were we not downgraded when the savings and
>>>>>>loan
>>>>>>companies collasped in the 80's remember them biggest govt bailout so
>>>>>>this seems
>>>>>>to be more politics than saying the worlds largest economy and a gdp of
>>>>>>over 15
>>>>>>trillion is not a safe bet then hey go invest in russia or china or north
>>>>>>korea
>>>>>>or somalia those seem like well run places that will protect you and give
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>rights lol"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Hows that hope and change working for ya America, thanks community
>>>>>>organizer
>>>>>>and chief for stealing my retirement."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's the gift that keeps on giving. Thanks, politicians. I'll be sure to
>>>>>>share
>>>>>>my appreciation come November 2012.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"The S&P is a loser, after all they showed what they knew when they rated
>>>>>>toxic
>>>>>>assets AAA. I wonder what the GOP is paying them to cause the stock
>>>>>>market to
>>>>>>fall so their wealthy patrons can buy it cheap and make another load of
>>>>>>money
>>>>>>pushing it up, and getting institutions buying in to make up for their
>>>>>>loses.
>>>>>>BOYCOTT WALLSTREET"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bahkan ada yang berpikir mungkin kredibilitas S&P yang perlu di-downgrade
:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"lmao. S&P are the ones who rated junk mortgage back securities that
>>>>>>Fannie was
>>>>>>securing AAA.
>>>>>>think it's about time we downgrade S&P"
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Boleh percaya boleh engga, tapi kita coba lihat reaksi pasar IHSG besok,
>>>>>>apakah
>>>>>>pengaruh S&P masih cukup kuat untuk kembali menekan pasar kita? Kalau
>>>>>>boleh ikut
>>>>>>lembaga pemeringkat, saya lebih baik ikut PEFINDO aja deh yang asli
>>>>>>Iindonesia,
>>>>>>enak aja turunin peringkat di Amerika tapi menekan pasar dan cari barang
>>>>>>murah
>>>>>>di negeri orang, hehe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Disclaimer ON
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Salam,
>>>>>>Dimas
>>>>>>
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