It seems what everyone has forgotten is the law of the land. All foreigners are required to sign a form on entering India that basically requires that they report their presence to the nearest police station if they will be staying in that place for more than 2 weeks I believe. Also when moving to a new location, foreigners are required to report their presence to the police station at their new location. That this basic law is not adhered too, by most foreigners in India and that enforcement is lax is why we are at this problem. I'm sure foreigners like me with nothing to fear or hide would not have a problem adhering to this Indian and Goan law. Chris De Souza
________________________________ From: dilip dacruz <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:01 AM Subject: RE: [SALIGAONET] Re: Nigerians & Other Illegal Foreign Nationals In Saligao: Some Suggestions... It was an appalling post and deeply embarrassing too. I did reply to it immediately, branding it xenophobic and unacceptable. Many Goans are however still quite racist in many ways. This stems partly from a lack of education - 'equality and diversity training' is not really on the agenda - and partly from an ingrained false sense of superiority that needs to be challenged and confronted. I believe an apology from MnM is wholly appropriate, and it would form a good starting point for advancing progressive views wrt our attitudes to all 'foreigners', be they from Kerala or Nigeria or Russia. --- Original Message --- From: "Terence Hayden" <[email protected]> Sent: 10 November 2013 01:14 To: [email protected] Subject: [SALIGAONET] Re: Nigerians & Other Illegal Foreign Nationals In Saligao: Some Suggestions... As a lawfully present foreigner privileged to stay in this beautiful village for some period and grateful for the experience, let me add my tuppence worth to this debate. I agree wholeheartedly with the comment by "M & M" that the issue of the riot at Porvorim on 31 October should not be broadened out into other issues: "No. The problem in this riot is not narcotics. Let us not mix issues, please." Indeed. The issue is a riot. Not the presence of foreigners, drugs, alleged sexual offences etc that "M & M" have also (and rather inconsistently) raised. These issues may also require attention. I have no idea. But the issue at hand is a riot. Speaking as a foreigner and guest in this beautiful state, I can only say that if I were lucky enough to have been born Goan, there are two questions that I would now be asking, and neither of them involve race or nationality: 1. Why on earth did my brave constabulary not act sooner to put an end to the riot and the horror of a dead and mutilated corpse being dragged onto the road in the heat of the day? And what is to be done about this? 2. When and where are the perpetrators of the riot to be tried and appropriate punishment to be delivered? All the rest is a case of "mix (ing) issues", as "M & M" so clearly point out. As for the denial of racism in the former email from this couple, I guess it's not racism if one doesn't identify Nigerians in particular as the object of one's sweeping demands that all foreigners resident in the village be investigated including by one's neighbours. But there are other words for such a proposal and the attitude of mind from which it derives and they are words that are equally as unpleasant. I would have thought that the incident at Porvorim would cause all people of goodwill to come together in "solidarity". Not start falling apart and demanding actions against innocent groups of other people holding nothing but goodwill towards the village and the state. Kind regards Terence Hayden On Saturday, November 2, 2013 11:00:00 AM UTC+5:30, m&m wrote: > >20 years ago, we had a counted, 11 foreign nationalities living in Saligao, >some of them indulging in various nefarious activities, from drug peddling to >paedophilia. > >Yes, we do have Nigerians in the village at the moment. And yes, some of them >were arrested in drug related cases in Saligao, some time back: > >http://www.dailytimes.com.ng/ article/indian-police-arrest- >nigerian-drug-dealers >http://timesofindia. indiatimes.com/topic/Nigerian- arrested > > >See here on YouTube what initially just 10, then 50, later a 100 of them did >to Goa, on 31 October: http://www.youtube.com/ results?search_query= >nigerians+%2B+goa&oq= nigerians+%2B+goa&gs_l= youtube.3...1142.11769.0. >13127.15.13.0.2.2.0.237.1477. 4j8j1.13.0...0.0...1ac.1.11. youtube.BAPxED9o4IM > > In view of this total take-over and paralysis that these 10-odd Nigerians were allowed to inflict on Goa, bringing the NH-17 to a grinding halt, with our mighty, armed police force reduced to helpless bystanders, we now strongly suggest the following: > >- that, leading from the front, our MLA Dilip Parulekar, Sarpanch Eknath >Oraskar and each Panch member, along with the rest of us villagers, get >personally involved in tracking down unregistered foreign nationals staying in >Saligao, without being registered with the Foreign Registration Office of the >Goa Police in Panjim and the local Calangute Police Station. > >- that every Panch member have a list of all foreign nationals living in their >wards and submit the same to the Calangute Police for investigation. > > >- that the Panchayat keeps an official register of every foreign national in >Saligao, their visa and passport details and the length of their legal stay in >the village (if we had one, we could have given the list to the govt. to >assist in this investigation). > > >- that all unregistered foreign nationals in Saligao be given a time frame to >register themselves, failing which the Panchayat with the local police should >evict them from the village and deliver them into the custody of the Home >ministry. > >- that all foreign nationals, staying illegally in Saligao - without proper >visas and passports - be deported immediately. > >- that each Saligaokar, sees it as her / his obligation to report the entry >of any foreign national into their vicinity, who is not an established, legal >resident, whom they know personally. > >- that the Panchayat makes it mandatory for every villager to report the >presence of any foreign national who rents out their premises. > >- that all businesses, especially builders and contractors, as well as local >residents, desist from employing illegal immigrants, like Bangla Desh, African >and other nationals, who reside here against the law. > >- that Sarpanch Eknath immediately calls for a meeting and constitutes a >'Vigilance & Security' sub-committee of the Panchayat...Eknath, please! We do >not know when Saligao can have a repeat of 31/10 at our own main crossroads >near the govt. school!! We > >In the spirit of Diwali, let us purge Goa of the Narkasuras of drugs, male and >female, prostitution, paedophilia, gambling and other nefarious activities >that have grown into monsters devouring our coastal belt, while they reside in >interior villages like Saligao...and are begining to rear their hideous heads >here too! > > >Warm regards, solidarity and a Happy Diwali...imagine a village full of 'diye' >to burn up all those terrifying Narkasuras! > > > > > >M&M. > > >-- >.............................. .............................. .... >there *is* anOTHERgoa >at <http://www.anOTHERgoa. blogspot.in> >& <http://www.youtube.com/ anothergoa> >'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' >'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ''''''' >muriel & mario, >c/o FULKAR, >6/22, sonarbhatt, saligao. >bardez. goa. 403511. >tel: 0832-2278276 / 2409999 ><anothergoa AT gmail.com> >'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' >'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''' > -- -- Saligao-Net is at http://groups.google.com/group/saligao-net To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe email [email protected] --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Saligao-Net" group. 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