Jason,

I agree that VNC does have it's place, and if I were only using it over a
WAN, with permanent frame connections, I wouldn't hesitate to use it...but I
am remotely administering devices over the Internet...which means that I
have no way of knowing the dynamically assigned private IP's with my
customers private network, the only devices I would know the IP's for, would
be the publicly visible devices...however, with the gateway capability, I
don't need to know what IP a workstation is currently using, just the
netbios name of the workstation computer.

Jonathan Marsden
Part-Time Geeks Computer Services.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Jason Passow
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SA-list] How do I see Salive program and change setup on
terminal server.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] at http://ultravnc.sourceforge.net/ has file transfer.  It is still
in beta but the basic features are stable.  They are still working on some
mslogon authentication issues.  Once V1 is released they will be trying to
add the "gateway" feature to v2.0.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  RC 1.10 supports

-Supported Operating Systems: Win9x/Me/NT4/Win2000/XP.
-Auto Configuration and Quick Options for easy connections.
-Viewer Toolbar and Hot keys for a quick access to the main functions and
greatly improved ergonomy
-Embedded File Transfer with intuitive Graphical User Interface allowing for
easy file copy between local and remote computers. It uses the  existing VNC
connection and files are compressed during their        transfer.
-High Speed. A cutting-edge Video Hook Driver (kernel mode) for Win2000 and
XP dramatically improves performances and reduces CPU activity over     LAN
connections. This lets you work on a remote computer with an    incredible
'real-time' feeling (hundreds of screen updates per     second). A WinVNC
server under Win9x uses the standard hookdll in         combination with ddi
hooking to improve the updates handling. [EMAIL PROTECTED]      also features an
ultra fast Fullscreen Polling mode without any  additionnal driver.
-MS Logon/NT security support. You can manage server access using MS Users,
Domains and Groups. It also includes a logging feature where all
actions are written into a log file.
-Bandwidth Saving Strategies that provide optimal responsiveness over slow
connections: Server Screen Scaling, Cache Management , Local Cursor
handling.
-Data Stream Modification Plugin System allowing any kind of operation on
the data exchanged between client and server, from an external DLL
(independant, not linked and not distributed with [EMAIL PROTECTED]):   additionnal
rights checking, communication timing, data     recording/persitence,
encryption... it's up to the DLL developper.
-Optional "always-on-top" Viewer Status Window dynamically displaying
connection informations.
-Various View Modes including Full-Screen, Scaled and Windowed. Full-Screen
mode lets you see the remote screen on the entire screen of your
display. Scaled Viewer mode lets you see the scaled remote screen in a
window with a user defined size. Scaled Server mode generates less
network traffic from server side and use a pixel blending algorithm to
optimize the display. Fuzzy Mode combines Server and Viewer scalings    to
provide reasonable visual comfort and speed over slow connections.
-AutoScaling Mode automatically calculates the viewer scale so the server
screen fits the viewer screen.
-Dynamic Single Window/Full Desktop view switching, from viewer side.
-Server's Desktop resolution switching without disconnection.
-Dynamic Mouse and Keyboard locking on remote server, from viewer side.
-Server Screen Blanking, from viewer side
-Embedded Client/Server Text Chat.
-Possibility to send Ctrl-Alt-Del to the remote server (when WinVNC is run
as a service), or any other special key code.
-Support for 32/24/16/8 bits colors.
-Both [EMAIL PROTECTED] Viewer and Server are compatible with RealVNC, TightVNC,
eSVNC...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] server can work as a Service under all supported operating
systems, allowing remote user Logon/Logoff as well as Remote Shutdown.
-Connectivity: Standard Viewer and HTTP JavaViewer connections over TCP/IP,
as well as XDMCP direct X11 connection

I used to use Remote Administrator.  I find it is too slow and eats up a ton
of bandwidth on my frame circuits.  The refresh rate is better with
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  It is a beta release so an occasional crash does not surprise me
but I would not be able to live it without it.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Marsden
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SA-list] How do I see Salive program and change setup on
terminal server.

I personally use something like VNC for remote control, called Remote
Administration 2.1, available from www.radmin.com .   The advantage to this
over VNC is that you can use one of your servers as a gateway, and coming in
through that one, can also remotely administer any other server on the same
backbone.  This comes in handy if you have a need to work on more than one
server, especially if the other servers are on a private network, and don't
have a static IP address.  I typically use a mail server, one visible to the
Internet, as the gateway server.  It is fairly inexpensive, is secure, and
gives a couple of other advantages over VNC, such as file transfers, and
telnet from the same console.

Admittedly, it IS a workaround, but a rather elegant one.

Jonathan Marsden

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Brent Ozar
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SA-list] How do I see Salive progran and change setup on
terminal server.


Terminal Services gives each person that logs on a completely separate
desktop.  Even if the same person logs on twice, they will see two different
desktops with their own applications running in separate memory space.

This is great for security, and for applications like Citrix where you have
dozens of people logging into the same server simultaneously, but it's not
great for remote control of a server.

I'm a Terminal Services fan myself, and there's a few workarounds.  You can
administer SA over Telnet, you can use VNC for remote control, or you can
run SA manually over Terminal Services.  To do that last one, you have to
stop the service, run SA, make your changes, save them, close SA, and then
start the service again.  Sounds clumsy, but if you've got an urgent change
you need to make that you can't do in Telnet, then it works, anyway.

Brent







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