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Today's Topics:
1. Susudata - a river in Germany (Steven T. Hatton)
2. Re: Susudata - a river in Germany (Haresh Bakshi)
3. Re: Susudata - a river in Germany (Sai)
4. Re: Susudata - a river in Germany (Sai)
5. Re: Susudata - a river in Germany (Srinivas Kommu)
6. Re: Susudata - a river in Germany (Sai)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:07:39 -0400
From: "Steven T. Hatton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Susudata - a river in Germany
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There is a river in Germany that was known in ancient times as the Susudata.
I'm no linguist, but from my exposure to Indo-Iranian names such as
Mithradata, Indradata, Somadata, Shuwardata, Yashdata (See Pritchard, _The
Ancient Near East_, vol 1, pages 263-267, especially the footnotes), as well
as my exposure to Germanic languages, I am lead to believe this river name is
likely Indo-Iranian, rather than Celtic, Germanic, or Latin. If this is
true, the name would mean something similar to "gift of Susu".
What I would like to know is whether there is something in Indo-Iranian that
might shed some light on what "Susu" may have meant. It isn't far fetched at
all to believe there may have been Indo-Iranian speaking people in
prehistoric Germany. Though few dialects of Scythian languages have
survived, the convention is to place them in the category of Iranian speaking
peoples.
My use of the term Indo-Iranian is meant to denote the collection of
Indo-European languages spoken in India, Ariana, and Iran in ancient times.
The best preserved of these, by far, is Sanskrit. It therefore seems
reasonable to expect that someone on this list might be able to shed some
light on what Susudata could have meant.
STH
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 17:57:32 -0400
From: "Haresh Bakshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Susudata - a river in Germany
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namaste, "sudatta" is a proper noun. It also means "given well". The
additional prefix "su" would accentuate the 'goodness', making it
"susudatta". This would become "susudattaa" in feminine gender.
Haresh.
>From: "Steven T. Hatton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [Sanskrit] Susudata - a river in Germany
>Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:07:39 -0400
>
>There is a river in Germany that was known in ancient times as the
>Susudata.
>I'm no linguist, but from my exposure to Indo-Iranian names such as
>Mithradata, Indradata, Somadata, Shuwardata, Yashdata (See Pritchard, _The
>Ancient Near East_, vol 1, pages 263-267, especially the footnotes), as
>well
>as my exposure to Germanic languages, I am lead to believe this river name
>is
>likely Indo-Iranian, rather than Celtic, Germanic, or Latin. If this is
>true, the name would mean something similar to "gift of Susu".
>
>What I would like to know is whether there is something in Indo-Iranian
>that
>might shed some light on what "Susu" may have meant. It isn't far fetched
>at
>all to believe there may have been Indo-Iranian speaking people in
>prehistoric Germany. Though few dialects of Scythian languages have
>survived, the convention is to place them in the category of Iranian
>speaking
>peoples.
>
>My use of the term Indo-Iranian is meant to denote the collection of
>Indo-European languages spoken in India, Ariana, and Iran in ancient times.
>The best preserved of these, by far, is Sanskrit. It therefore seems
>reasonable to expect that someone on this list might be able to shed some
>light on what Susudata could have meant.
>
>STH
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:01:29 -0600
From: Sai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I am not sure if adding the same prefix twice is a valid practice in
sanskrit. I never heard of such usage before.
I feel that it is more likely that susu is either a distortion of some
other word or it is just sudatta.
- Sai.
Haresh Bakshi uvaacha:
> namaste, "sudatta" is a proper noun. It also means "given well". The
> additional prefix "su" would accentuate the 'goodness', making it
> "susudatta". This would become "susudattaa" in feminine gender.
>
> Haresh.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Steven T. Hatton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: [Sanskrit] Susudata - a river in Germany
> >Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:07:39 -0400
> >
> >There is a river in Germany that was known in ancient times as the
> >Susudata.
> >I'm no linguist, but from my exposure to Indo-Iranian names such as
> >Mithradata, Indradata, Somadata, Shuwardata, Yashdata (See Pritchard, _The
> >Ancient Near East_, vol 1, pages 263-267, especially the footnotes), as
> >well
> >as my exposure to Germanic languages, I am lead to believe this river name
> >is
> >likely Indo-Iranian, rather than Celtic, Germanic, or Latin. If this is
> >true, the name would mean something similar to "gift of Susu".
> >
> >What I would like to know is whether there is something in Indo-Iranian
> >that
> >might shed some light on what "Susu" may have meant. It isn't far fetched
> >at
> >all to believe there may have been Indo-Iranian speaking people in
> >prehistoric Germany. Though few dialects of Scythian languages have
> >survived, the convention is to place them in the category of Iranian
> >speaking
> >peoples.
> >
> >My use of the term Indo-Iranian is meant to denote the collection of
> >Indo-European languages spoken in India, Ariana, and Iran in ancient times.
> >The best preserved of these, by far, is Sanskrit. It therefore seems
> >reasonable to expect that someone on this list might be able to shed some
> >light on what Susudata could have meant.
> >
> >STH
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:39:10 -0600
From: Sai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Susudata - a river in Germany
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hareSa mahodaya,
sAdhu-uktam bhavatA |
athunaiva Monier nighanTu-madhye pariSIlitavAn.
bhavatA uktAni sarve padAni santi eva |
ataH 'susudatta' padaM samyageva syAt | ko vA jAnE ?
(Dear Haresh,
Well said! I just now examined the Monier-Williams dictionary.
All the words you mentioned are there (except susudatta)
So the word susudatta could very well exist. Who knows?)
Summary:
sudatta = well given (could mean, in case of river, well-fed, well-furnished)
susudatta = very well-fed (by water?).
- Sai.
Haresh Bakshi uvaacha:
> namaste sai mahodaya,
>
> what you have stated may have happened in all likelihood. However, these are
> some words, actually used in literature, with "susu-", emphasizing the
> associated good quality:
>
> susukha susukhin
> susugandha susugandhi
> susundara
> susubhiksha
>
> Regards,
> Haresh.
>
> -------- muulikaH saMdeshaH bhavataH
> ---------------------------------------------
> >From: Sai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Susudata - a river in Germany
> >Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:01:29 -0600
> >
> >I am not sure if adding the same prefix twice is a valid practice in
> >sanskrit. I never heard of such usage before.
> >I feel that it is more likely that susu is either a distortion of some
> >other word or it is just sudatta.
> >- Sai.
> >
> >Haresh Bakshi uvaacha:
> > > namaste, "sudatta" is a proper noun. It also means "given well". The
> > > additional prefix "su" would accentuate the 'goodness', making it
> > > "susudatta". This would become "susudattaa" in feminine gender.
> > >
> > > Haresh.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Steven T. Hatton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Subject: [Sanskrit] Susudata - a river in Germany
> > > >Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:07:39 -0400
> > > >
> > > >There is a river in Germany that was known in ancient times as the
> > > >Susudata.
> > > >I'm no linguist, but from my exposure to Indo-Iranian names such as
> > > >Mithradata, Indradata, Somadata, Shuwardata, Yashdata (See Pritchard,
> >_The
> > > >Ancient Near East_, vol 1, pages 263-267, especially the footnotes), as
> > > >well
> > > >as my exposure to Germanic languages, I am lead to believe this river
> >name
> > > >is
> > > >likely Indo-Iranian, rather than Celtic, Germanic, or Latin. If this
> >is
> > > >true, the name would mean something similar to "gift of Susu".
> > > >
> > > >What I would like to know is whether there is something in Indo-Iranian
> > > >that
> > > >might shed some light on what "Susu" may have meant. It isn't far
> >fetched
> > > >at
> > > >all to believe there may have been Indo-Iranian speaking people in
> > > >prehistoric Germany. Though few dialects of Scythian languages have
> > > >survived, the convention is to place them in the category of Iranian
> > > >speaking
> > > >peoples.
> > > >
> > > >My use of the term Indo-Iranian is meant to denote the collection of
> > > >Indo-European languages spoken in India, Ariana, and Iran in ancient
> >times.
> > > >The best preserved of these, by far, is Sanskrit. It therefore seems
> > > >reasonable to expect that someone on this list might be able to shed
> >some
> > > >light on what Susudata could have meant.
> > > >
> > > >STH
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 02:27:32 -0700
From: "Srinivas Kommu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Isn't there the popular word "susvAgatam" that everybody knows?!
srinivas
>I am not sure if adding the same prefix twice is a valid practice in
>sanskrit. I never heard of such usage before.
>I feel that it is more likely that susu is either a distortion of some
>other word or it is just sudatta.
>- Sai.
>
>Haresh Bakshi uvaacha:
> > namaste, "sudatta" is a proper noun. It also means "given well". The
> > additional prefix "su" would accentuate the 'goodness', making it
> > "susudatta". This would become "susudattaa" in feminine gender.
> >
> > Haresh.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Steven T. Hatton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: [Sanskrit] Susudata - a river in Germany
> > >Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:07:39 -0400
> > >
> > >There is a river in Germany that was known in ancient times as the
> > >Susudata.
> > >I'm no linguist, but from my exposure to Indo-Iranian names such as
> > >Mithradata, Indradata, Somadata, Shuwardata, Yashdata (See Pritchard,
>_The
> > >Ancient Near East_, vol 1, pages 263-267, especially the footnotes), as
> > >well
> > >as my exposure to Germanic languages, I am lead to believe this river
>name
> > >is
> > >likely Indo-Iranian, rather than Celtic, Germanic, or Latin. If this
>is
> > >true, the name would mean something similar to "gift of Susu".
> > >
> > >What I would like to know is whether there is something in Indo-Iranian
> > >that
> > >might shed some light on what "Susu" may have meant. It isn't far
>fetched
> > >at
> > >all to believe there may have been Indo-Iranian speaking people in
> > >prehistoric Germany. Though few dialects of Scythian languages have
> > >survived, the convention is to place them in the category of Iranian
> > >speaking
> > >peoples.
> > >
> > >My use of the term Indo-Iranian is meant to denote the collection of
> > >Indo-European languages spoken in India, Ariana, and Iran in ancient
>times.
> > >The best preserved of these, by far, is Sanskrit. It therefore seems
> > >reasonable to expect that someone on this list might be able to shed
>some
> > >light on what Susudata could have meant.
> > >
> > >STH
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 09:55:51 -0600
From: Sai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Good one!
su+su+aagatam = susvaagatam = su + came well.
- Sai.
Srinivas Kommu uvaacha:
> Isn't there the popular word "susvAgatam" that everybody knows?!
>
> srinivas
>
> >I am not sure if adding the same prefix twice is a valid practice in
> >sanskrit. I never heard of such usage before.
> >I feel that it is more likely that susu is either a distortion of some
> >other word or it is just sudatta.
> >- Sai.
> >
> >Haresh Bakshi uvaacha:
> > > namaste, "sudatta" is a proper noun. It also means "given well". The
> > > additional prefix "su" would accentuate the 'goodness', making it
> > > "susudatta". This would become "susudattaa" in feminine gender.
> > >
> > > Haresh.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Steven T. Hatton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Subject: [Sanskrit] Susudata - a river in Germany
> > > >Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:07:39 -0400
> > > >
> > > >There is a river in Germany that was known in ancient times as the
> > > >Susudata.
> > > >I'm no linguist, but from my exposure to Indo-Iranian names such as
> > > >Mithradata, Indradata, Somadata, Shuwardata, Yashdata (See Pritchard,
> >_The
> > > >Ancient Near East_, vol 1, pages 263-267, especially the footnotes), as
> > > >well
> > > >as my exposure to Germanic languages, I am lead to believe this river
> >name
> > > >is
> > > >likely Indo-Iranian, rather than Celtic, Germanic, or Latin. If this
> >is
> > > >true, the name would mean something similar to "gift of Susu".
> > > >
> > > >What I would like to know is whether there is something in Indo-Iranian
> > > >that
> > > >might shed some light on what "Susu" may have meant. It isn't far
> >fetched
> > > >at
> > > >all to believe there may have been Indo-Iranian speaking people in
> > > >prehistoric Germany. Though few dialects of Scythian languages have
> > > >survived, the convention is to place them in the category of Iranian
> > > >speaking
> > > >peoples.
> > > >
> > > >My use of the term Indo-Iranian is meant to denote the collection of
> > > >Indo-European languages spoken in India, Ariana, and Iran in ancient
> >times.
> > > >The best preserved of these, by far, is Sanskrit. It therefore seems
> > > >reasonable to expect that someone on this list might be able to shed
> >some
> > > >light on what Susudata could have meant.
> > > >
> > > >STH
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