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1. Re: Translate shloka (Ambujam Raman)
2. The use of "sma" for past (Jay Vaidya)
3. Re: A sanskrit puzzle - solutions (Ambujam Raman)
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:54:29 -0400
From: "Ambujam Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Translate shloka
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Dear Srivalli:
As I had mentioned before I heard this shloka at a Harikatha. Hence I do not
know its source. The Bhagavathat said it was composed by Hanuman! I have
also described the context and the meaning has been elaborately discussed.
The shloka does not appear in any of the Ramayanas that I have read!
The Harikatha performer narrated it along with the famous shloka from
Valmiki Ramayana:
iyam siitaa mama sutaa saha dharma carii tava
pratiiccha cha enaam bhadram te paaNim grihNiiShva paaNinaa
pativrataa mahaabhaagaa chaayaa iva anugataa sadaa
He was conveying the idea that Sita was a perfect wife.
Tangentially for those of us interested in sanskrit I consider the above
verse flawed. Since Sita was not 'aurasa putri' of Janaka the expression '
mama sutaa' (suuyate iti sutaa) is technically incorrect.
Raman
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Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Translate shloka
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> Raman garu,
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> Could you please also provide reference to context, i.e., the story that
> contains this shloka?
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> Thank you.
> J. SriValli
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> vismahaashayaaH!
> Good try! But doesn't make sense is'nt it? Exactly the problem I face
> whenever I try to decipher long verses where the sandhis and anuswaras can
> drive you crazy. I really would appreciate if somebody with experience
> could share the know-how and technique. I would post the meaning as
> provided by the bhaagavata (which does make sense!) after giving some time
> for others to try. Incidentally there is no need to introduce extra
> 'akaaram'.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:41:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jay Vaidya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] The use of "sma" for past
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uktam ambujarAmeNa:
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> In the same vein could you throw some light on the
> lazy man's way of saying:
> kim bhavati sma as the equivalent of abhavat
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> Should the use of the particle sma be popularized as
> in the infant sanskrit
> readers?
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It is all right in time reference. "bravIti sma" does
relate to the same past times as either "abravIt" or
"uvAcha". But, interestingly, not the time reference
of "avaxIt".
The question is of shades of meaning. To me, "sma"
gives the sense of storytelling, not of sharing of
experiences. Maybe it is all right to popularize "sma
bhavati" in infant readers if stories are being told.
Many modern languages use "then+present tense" to give
a sense of both immediacy and oral history to a story.
> "... Then a wolf comes to the stream. He says to
> the lamb... 'DID you not insult me last year?' The
> lamb says, 'But sir, I WAS only born two months
ago.'
> Then the wolf says, 'If it WAS not you, it WAS your
> father who insulted me.' Then he grabs and eats up
> the lamb."
Notice, in this fable, how we can allow present tense
to be used in the obviously past narrative, but not in
the dialogue within the narrative.
Regarding another use of sma
To me, the following also seems a very ex cathedra
order:
"klaibyam mA sma gamaH pArtha..." = don't go
emasculate yourself, Arjuna!
But not this, which seems just like a regular
instruction.
"idam mA karshhiiH" = don't do this.
dhana.njayaH
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:59:29 -0400
From: "Ambujam Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] A sanskrit puzzle - solutions
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PKR
Really neat. Maybe I could gid the lily!.
tamasakR^it maa spR^isha giraa.= taM asaha k^RT maam spR^isha giraa
= 'ta' not united touch (speak) words to me.
bahu-vimalaabhah = bahu vimala aabhaaH = many spotless splendour (I think making
'akaram' diirgham helps)!
Raman
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