"Ideology, taken seriously, is a major repellent to the kinds of people you need
to attract to create the environment you want. :)"

I agree. We can probably still have ideology, but telling people about
it is not the way to attract them. I think most people are interested
in the here and now when deciding whether or not to attend.

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Kyle Mulka
http://www.kylemulka.com



On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Crusoe <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>  Laws of Saturday House
>  1.  Thou Shalt Not Testify Against High Ideals.
>  2.  Thou Shalt Not Testify Against High Dreams.
>  3.  Thou Shalt Act, Plan to Act, or, at the very least:  Pray to
> Act.
>  4.  Thou Shalt Show Up.
>  5.  Thou Shalt Treat Other Saturday Housers with Trust, Clarity,
>      Respect, and Solidarity.
> ->  6.  Thou Shalt Obey Lion.
>
> Wow, read Mao much? Change some of those lines to say "Revolution" or
> "Communist Party" for good measure.
>
> This is NOT what I am talking about.
>
> You do realize, if you want to change the world, you need to work with
> that 99%. You need to give those 99% a reason to get out of the house
> and do something besides watch TV. You need to get those hackers who
> huddle behind computer screens a reason to get a social life. Those
> people with nothing to do some reason to get out and do something.
>
> I know you're into that French group that hollowed out those caves
> under that house, and filled them full of art. Pretty cool, I agree.
>
> But this ideology is not going to give rise to a vibrant cross-domain
> group. It is going to drive away a whole host of otherwise interested
> people. I don't think a single Dorkbotter will be inetrested now.
>
> I think Lion, you will be disappointed by Bucketworks. They have very
> little ideology, and do a lot of work with local businesses and
> groups.
>
> And the reason I want a large group, with minimal ideology is the
> following:
>
> 1) A lower mental barrier to entry. You're not going to put people
> off. This should not feel like you are going to church. Or that you
> need to meet some membership test.
> 2) Larger groups can afford larger spaces. Larger spaces enable more
> things, like guest speakers, art installations, etc.
> 3) Larger groups can afford to hire a caretaker to keep the space open
> longer. Not just Saturday, but weekdays as well. No need to try and
> decide what day is best for the entire group. Smaller groups can show
> up when it works for them
> 4) Cross pollination. Disparate interests increase the opportunities
> for novelty.
>
> We need SEEDS, not ideology. What do you want your garden to look
> like, and go from there.
>
> More art? Reach out to artists.
>
> More programming? Reach out to programmers.
>
> These groups already are pretty progressive, and usually pretty high
> minded as well.
>
> So Lion, you get what you want w/o the need for ideology. Ideology,
> taken seriously, is a major repellent to the kinds of people you need
> to attract to create the environment you want. :)
>
> If we need a ideology, then it should be fun, like Subgenius, or Dada,
> and not take itself too seriously.
>
>    * THE HACK is important. A Hack can involve art,technology or
> ideas.
>    * Actions speak louder than words
>    * Do the simplest thing that could possibly work.
>    * Create something NOW
>    * If you smell something burning, it could be you. You're probably
> on the right track
>    * Hacking something something..... We'll work it out.
>    * You don't need a reason to do something, only the will.
>    * Failure is a option but not an excuse.
>
> >
>

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