To make it a little clearer, compare and contrast:
* "What is Bucketworks?"
http://www.bucketworks.com/content/the-bucketworks-story
* "What is NYC Resistor?"
http://www.nycresistor.com/about/
I readily see how you could create a hacker space within Bucketworks,
but I don't understand how you could make a Bucketworks within a hacker
space;
Someone would have to explain it to me.
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Lion Kimbro <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Saturday House is not aiming to make a hacker space.
>
> Our themes are:
> * Community.
> * Action.
> * Business.
> * School.
>
> That is, what we're making is broader.
>
> The prototype to look at is BUCKETWORKS.
>
> http://bucketworks.org/
>
> (And yes, Bucketworks needs and has a paid staff person. James
> Carleson and Jenn Turner made the importance of this role very
> clear to me. It may come "later," but it will certainly be there.)
>
>
> There are many people in Saturday House who want to make, and will
> flourish in, a hacker space; I'm happy to point several to you.
> We've been pointing people to Hackerbot Labs for years. That's just
> not what we're making, though; It's just not Saturday House.
>
> DorkBot is investigating a hacker space as well, (I think,) right now.
> It'll be easy to find the money and the people. I bless your efforts.
> :)
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Charles Paul <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I know that you said to hold off on talking about a hacker-space for a
>> couple of months, but I think that the time is now. I feel that Lion
>> may feel that this is a conversation that needs to incubate further,
>> but I will have to politely disagree.
>>
>> Downtown Seattle desperately needs a hackspace. A space where people
>> can come together and hack on projects with each other. There is
>> Hackerbot Labs, but they are painfully located to far SODO. Seattle
>> Wireless Networks provides a good forum for geeks to come together and
>> talk freely, but their current location is also a business office.
>>
>> I found out about Saturday House via the latest 2600 magazine (where
>> you are listed as a HackSpace in Seattle), and was saddened to find
>> out that the space has closed down...
>>
>> Some thoughts -- Noisebridge, in SF, is a very successful hack-space
>> that is outgrowing it's current location... but it has enough
>> dues-paying members to facilitate the search for a larger space. As
>> the same sort of inspired technical community exists inside Seattle
>> (albeit a much smaller one), finding a space downtown and making it
>> accessible for hackers seems only natural.
>>
>> As for finding enough money for staff -- Why would we need staff,
>> per-se? I cannot think of a hack-space that has paid staff. People
>> should have means of income to support themselves, and the space
>> itself should be self-supporting through dues and incidental sales of
>> beverages and the like. If people don't have work, they would at
>> least have a face-to-face network of peers who could assist them in
>> the pursuit of a living.
>>
>> As an aside, take a listen to the inspiring talks from the Last HOPE
>> about building hacker-spaces:
>>
>> http://www.thelasthope.org/media/audio/16kbps/Hacker_Space_Design_Patterns.mp3
>>
>> A quick search through Craigslist finds numerous spaces available for
>> under $1500.00
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/search/off/see?maxAsk=1500&minAsk=1000
>>
>> We would probably need at least around 50 dues-paying members to
>> support a space like that. Would that be a reasonable target?
>>
>> Take Care,
>> Charles Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Lion Kimbro <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Definitely!
>> > Let's talk about it offline, and meet by phone or in person soon.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM, josh kopel <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Lion (and Saturday House at large),
>> >> This sounds wonderful.
>> >>
>> >> I am writing because several folks from the Seattle Dorkbot (CCed
>> >> because I am not sure they are on the Saturday House list) are also
>> >> working on a plan for a permanent community work/meet/learn space much
>> >> like what you are describing.
>> >> Our goal is to foster the technology/art crossover, and to provide
>> >> access to equipment normally out of reach of individual makers.
>> >> We have been discussing a multi-purpose place with some rental desks
>> and
>> >> some shared workshop facilities.
>> >> Perhaps it would be good to get together to compare notes and combine
>> >> efforts?
>> >>
>> >> Josh
>> >>
>> >> Lion Kimbro wrote:
>> >>> Hello, Saturday House!
>> >>>
>> >>> 3 Announcements:
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. We're looking for a place on Saturday!
>> >>> [Possibility: Daniel's house.]
>> >>>
>> >>> 2. Saturday House Description:
>> >>> Community, Action, Business, and School
>> >>>
>> >>> 3. Planning for a "Seattle Bucketworks"
>> >>> (rough plans)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> == Location ==
>> >>>
>> >>> Do you have a location we can use on Saturday? Saturday House needs
>> >>> you! (And your living room!)
>> >>>
>> >>> Presently, we're looking at using Daniel's apartment this Saturday,
>> >>> but we're not sure if that'll go through.
>> >>>
>> >>> Help!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> == Saturday House Description ==
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm looking for help and reflection on a Saturday House description
>> >>> for our website. While I have moments of being inspiring, now, at
>> >>> 9:10 PM, is not one of them. {:)}=
>> >>>
>> >>> All help on the description will be greatfully appreciated.
>> >>>
>> >>> Here are the 4 key elements I'm working with:
>> >>>
>> >>> * Community -- Saturday House is a very large community of people.
>> >>> The boundaries is not "Who comes on Saturday," or even "Who's on
>> >>> the list?" It is large.
>> >>>
>> >>> * Action -- We are working to become action oriented. We have
>> >>> recognized that the "slow and steady death" scenario of Saturday
>> >>> House is when everyone has laptops out. When we are active, our
>> >>> voices become joyful, youth returns, friendliness increases, and
>> >>> form strangers draw in closer -- so we have observed. Our idea
>> >>> is, "If we become more active, will these good things increase?
>> >>> How can we stir more action?" Presently, we persue two routes:
>> >>> Activity days (on the 1st Saturday of the month,) and Projects
>> >>> (activities focused on each Saturday.)
>> >>>
>> >>> I invite YOU to lead an Activity day or a Project. My offer is
>> >>> to help to ensure that it happens -- to help collect resources
>> >>> for you, to announce it (if you like,) to connect you with
>> >>> people, to help in coordination however I can. The same goes
>> >>> for projects as well.
>> >>>
>> >>> "Action" is to be interpreted broadly: Even research questions
>> >>> and meditations can make "action." But it requires some locus
>> >>> of focus.
>> >>>
>> >>> * Business -- Saturday House has a long tradition with business
>> >>> society in Seattle. Business is a focus of Saturday House,
>> >>> though I myself have not been much involved in it. The Six Hour
>> >>> Startup community grew from the space made available by Saturday
>> >>> House, and has grown much larger, beyond the Saturday House.
>> >>> Nevertheless, this theme is very much a theme served by the
>> >>> Saturday House.
>> >>>
>> >>> * School -- Saturday House began with the inspiration from the
>> >>> Sudbury School method. The idea is that we are all learning,
>> >>> both by ourselves, from self-study, and from and with others.
>> >>> Some prefer the metaphor of the "Academy," others a "College."
>> >>> Regardless, the theme is of study, learning, and growth, in
>> >>> service of the larger society of the world.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm presently working to develop this into an articulated page for
>> >>> "About Saturday House." On that page, too, there well be key words,
>> >>> with everything from "Open Source" and "Electronics," to
>> >>> "Mathematics," to "Sustainability," to "Drawing," to "Learning" and
>> >>> "Reflection," and on and on.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> == Planning ==
>> >>>
>> >>> Finally, our intention is to make a space, inspired by Bucketworks,
>> >>> (perhaps even *called* "Seattle Bucketworks," James willing,) and
>> >>> involving many, many, many communities in the larger Seattle area.
>> >>>
>> >>> My plan is to visit, with others (including Daniel,) every community
>> >>> we can think of in the Seattle area, and invite them to discussion
>> >>> about locating a space. (We presently have a list of about 20
>> >>> groups, and I invite all of you to send me still further people to
>> >>> add to the list -- or add it to the EtherPad or Wiki.) I'm
>> >>> presently talking with several groups, and will greatly expand that
>> >>> number: I hope to talk with at least one new group a week, myself,
>> >>> and I hope that effort will be matched (at least in part) by others.
>> >>> We will arrange a dinner gathering, to discuss a shared space, and
>> >>> then later, the financing of such a space. We will need a space
>> >>> large enough for all of our dreams, and enough money to pay someone
>> >>> to staff it full time.
>> >>>
>> >>> It will be *AWESOME.* We'll talk about this space on the list in the
>> >>> relatively near future (say, within a month or two,) but please hold
>> >>> off for now. That said, I invite you to talk about it with us on
>> >>> any Saturday at Saturday House.
>> >>>
>> >>> The plan is roughly:
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. Begin, immediately, talking with as many groups as possible
>> >>> about our plans, and asking if they could see themselves
>> >>> participating in it.
>> >>> 2. Near the end of July, or in August, convene for a large group
>> >>> dinner or gathering of potential stakeholders, leaders from
>> >>> different communities, to get to know one another, to share
>> >>> enthusiasm about the space, and to share dreams. Hopefully we
>> >>> will have worked out the technology of sharing dreams by this
>> >>> point.
>> >>> 3. In September or October, collect funds for initial payments, and
>> >>> find the space. My thought is that the process of actually
>> >>> acquiring the space should proceed fairly quickly. That's how
>> it
>> >>> was with the SODO space at least, and that's my understanding of
>> >>> how houses are bought as well: It's a quick process.
>> >>>
>> >>> I do not know yet who will staff the space, and how that will work.
>> >>> Obviously, there is much I need to learn to make this real.
>> >>> However, there are many among you who are skilled, who have done
>> >>> things like this before, and I have the support of other communities
>> >>> (such as Bucketworks) who have done what we aim to do. These plans
>> >>> are not final, and I am happy to hear any input, though preferably
>> >>> in person.
>> >>>
>> >>> It's going to be an adventure!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sincerely,
>> >>> Lion Kimbro
>> >>>
>> >>> >
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