Alright - I am on the wrong mailing list. Unsubbing. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Lion Kimbro <[email protected]> wrote: > > To make it a little clearer, compare and contrast: > > * "What is Bucketworks?" > http://www.bucketworks.com/content/the-bucketworks-story > > * "What is NYC Resistor?" > http://www.nycresistor.com/about/ > > I readily see how you could create a hacker space within Bucketworks, > but I don't understand how you could make a Bucketworks within a hacker > space; > Someone would have to explain it to me. > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Lion Kimbro <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Saturday House is not aiming to make a hacker space. >> >> Our themes are: >> * Community. >> * Action. >> * Business. >> * School. >> >> That is, what we're making is broader. >> >> The prototype to look at is BUCKETWORKS. >> >> http://bucketworks.org/ >> >> (And yes, Bucketworks needs and has a paid staff person. James >> Carleson and Jenn Turner made the importance of this role very >> clear to me. It may come "later," but it will certainly be there.) >> >> >> There are many people in Saturday House who want to make, and will >> flourish in, a hacker space; I'm happy to point several to you. >> We've been pointing people to Hackerbot Labs for years. That's just >> not what we're making, though; It's just not Saturday House. >> >> DorkBot is investigating a hacker space as well, (I think,) right now. >> It'll be easy to find the money and the people. I bless your efforts. >> :) >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Charles Paul <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I know that you said to hold off on talking about a hacker-space for a >>> couple of months, but I think that the time is now. I feel that Lion >>> may feel that this is a conversation that needs to incubate further, >>> but I will have to politely disagree. >>> >>> Downtown Seattle desperately needs a hackspace. A space where people >>> can come together and hack on projects with each other. There is >>> Hackerbot Labs, but they are painfully located to far SODO. Seattle >>> Wireless Networks provides a good forum for geeks to come together and >>> talk freely, but their current location is also a business office. >>> >>> I found out about Saturday House via the latest 2600 magazine (where >>> you are listed as a HackSpace in Seattle), and was saddened to find >>> out that the space has closed down... >>> >>> Some thoughts -- Noisebridge, in SF, is a very successful hack-space >>> that is outgrowing it's current location... but it has enough >>> dues-paying members to facilitate the search for a larger space. As >>> the same sort of inspired technical community exists inside Seattle >>> (albeit a much smaller one), finding a space downtown and making it >>> accessible for hackers seems only natural. >>> >>> As for finding enough money for staff -- Why would we need staff, >>> per-se? I cannot think of a hack-space that has paid staff. People >>> should have means of income to support themselves, and the space >>> itself should be self-supporting through dues and incidental sales of >>> beverages and the like. If people don't have work, they would at >>> least have a face-to-face network of peers who could assist them in >>> the pursuit of a living. >>> >>> As an aside, take a listen to the inspiring talks from the Last HOPE >>> about building hacker-spaces: >>> >>> http://www.thelasthope.org/media/audio/16kbps/Hacker_Space_Design_Patterns.mp3 >>> >>> A quick search through Craigslist finds numerous spaces available for >>> under $1500.00 >>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/search/off/see?maxAsk=1500&minAsk=1000 >>> >>> We would probably need at least around 50 dues-paying members to >>> support a space like that. Would that be a reasonable target? >>> >>> Take Care, >>> Charles Paul >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Lion Kimbro <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Definitely! >>> > Let's talk about it offline, and meet by phone or in person soon. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM, josh kopel <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Lion (and Saturday House at large), >>> >> This sounds wonderful. >>> >> >>> >> I am writing because several folks from the Seattle Dorkbot (CCed >>> >> because I am not sure they are on the Saturday House list) are also >>> >> working on a plan for a permanent community work/meet/learn space much >>> >> like what you are describing. >>> >> Our goal is to foster the technology/art crossover, and to provide >>> >> access to equipment normally out of reach of individual makers. >>> >> We have been discussing a multi-purpose place with some rental desks >>> >> and >>> >> some shared workshop facilities. >>> >> Perhaps it would be good to get together to compare notes and combine >>> >> efforts? >>> >> >>> >> Josh >>> >> >>> >> Lion Kimbro wrote: >>> >>> Hello, Saturday House! >>> >>> >>> >>> 3 Announcements: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. We're looking for a place on Saturday! >>> >>> [Possibility: Daniel's house.] >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. Saturday House Description: >>> >>> Community, Action, Business, and School >>> >>> >>> >>> 3. Planning for a "Seattle Bucketworks" >>> >>> (rough plans) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> == Location == >>> >>> >>> >>> Do you have a location we can use on Saturday? Saturday House >>> >>> needs >>> >>> you! (And your living room!) >>> >>> >>> >>> Presently, we're looking at using Daniel's apartment this Saturday, >>> >>> but we're not sure if that'll go through. >>> >>> >>> >>> Help! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> == Saturday House Description == >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm looking for help and reflection on a Saturday House description >>> >>> for our website. While I have moments of being inspiring, now, at >>> >>> 9:10 PM, is not one of them. {:)}= >>> >>> >>> >>> All help on the description will be greatfully appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>> Here are the 4 key elements I'm working with: >>> >>> >>> >>> * Community -- Saturday House is a very large community of >>> >>> people. >>> >>> The boundaries is not "Who comes on Saturday," or even "Who's >>> >>> on >>> >>> the list?" It is large. >>> >>> >>> >>> * Action -- We are working to become action oriented. We have >>> >>> recognized that the "slow and steady death" scenario of >>> >>> Saturday >>> >>> House is when everyone has laptops out. When we are active, >>> >>> our >>> >>> voices become joyful, youth returns, friendliness increases, >>> >>> and >>> >>> form strangers draw in closer -- so we have observed. Our idea >>> >>> is, "If we become more active, will these good things increase? >>> >>> How can we stir more action?" Presently, we persue two routes: >>> >>> Activity days (on the 1st Saturday of the month,) and Projects >>> >>> (activities focused on each Saturday.) >>> >>> >>> >>> I invite YOU to lead an Activity day or a Project. My offer is >>> >>> to help to ensure that it happens -- to help collect resources >>> >>> for you, to announce it (if you like,) to connect you with >>> >>> people, to help in coordination however I can. The same goes >>> >>> for projects as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> "Action" is to be interpreted broadly: Even research questions >>> >>> and meditations can make "action." But it requires some locus >>> >>> of focus. >>> >>> >>> >>> * Business -- Saturday House has a long tradition with business >>> >>> society in Seattle. Business is a focus of Saturday House, >>> >>> though I myself have not been much involved in it. The Six >>> >>> Hour >>> >>> Startup community grew from the space made available by >>> >>> Saturday >>> >>> House, and has grown much larger, beyond the Saturday House. >>> >>> Nevertheless, this theme is very much a theme served by the >>> >>> Saturday House. >>> >>> >>> >>> * School -- Saturday House began with the inspiration from the >>> >>> Sudbury School method. The idea is that we are all learning, >>> >>> both by ourselves, from self-study, and from and with others. >>> >>> Some prefer the metaphor of the "Academy," others a "College." >>> >>> Regardless, the theme is of study, learning, and growth, in >>> >>> service of the larger society of the world. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm presently working to develop this into an articulated page for >>> >>> "About Saturday House." On that page, too, there well be key >>> >>> words, >>> >>> with everything from "Open Source" and "Electronics," to >>> >>> "Mathematics," to "Sustainability," to "Drawing," to "Learning" and >>> >>> "Reflection," and on and on. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> == Planning == >>> >>> >>> >>> Finally, our intention is to make a space, inspired by Bucketworks, >>> >>> (perhaps even *called* "Seattle Bucketworks," James willing,) and >>> >>> involving many, many, many communities in the larger Seattle area. >>> >>> >>> >>> My plan is to visit, with others (including Daniel,) every >>> >>> community >>> >>> we can think of in the Seattle area, and invite them to discussion >>> >>> about locating a space. (We presently have a list of about 20 >>> >>> groups, and I invite all of you to send me still further people to >>> >>> add to the list -- or add it to the EtherPad or Wiki.) I'm >>> >>> presently talking with several groups, and will greatly expand that >>> >>> number: I hope to talk with at least one new group a week, myself, >>> >>> and I hope that effort will be matched (at least in part) by >>> >>> others. >>> >>> We will arrange a dinner gathering, to discuss a shared space, and >>> >>> then later, the financing of such a space. We will need a space >>> >>> large enough for all of our dreams, and enough money to pay someone >>> >>> to staff it full time. >>> >>> >>> >>> It will be *AWESOME.* We'll talk about this space on the list in >>> >>> the >>> >>> relatively near future (say, within a month or two,) but please >>> >>> hold >>> >>> off for now. That said, I invite you to talk about it with us on >>> >>> any Saturday at Saturday House. >>> >>> >>> >>> The plan is roughly: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. Begin, immediately, talking with as many groups as possible >>> >>> about our plans, and asking if they could see themselves >>> >>> participating in it. >>> >>> 2. Near the end of July, or in August, convene for a large group >>> >>> dinner or gathering of potential stakeholders, leaders from >>> >>> different communities, to get to know one another, to share >>> >>> enthusiasm about the space, and to share dreams. Hopefully we >>> >>> will have worked out the technology of sharing dreams by this >>> >>> point. >>> >>> 3. In September or October, collect funds for initial payments, >>> >>> and >>> >>> find the space. My thought is that the process of actually >>> >>> acquiring the space should proceed fairly quickly. That's how >>> >>> it >>> >>> was with the SODO space at least, and that's my understanding >>> >>> of >>> >>> how houses are bought as well: It's a quick process. >>> >>> >>> >>> I do not know yet who will staff the space, and how that will work. >>> >>> Obviously, there is much I need to learn to make this real. >>> >>> However, there are many among you who are skilled, who have done >>> >>> things like this before, and I have the support of other >>> >>> communities >>> >>> (such as Bucketworks) who have done what we aim to do. These plans >>> >>> are not final, and I am happy to hear any input, though preferably >>> >>> in person. >>> >>> >>> >>> It's going to be an adventure! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Lion Kimbro >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> >>> >> > > > > >
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