For consistency's sake, I hope you agree that if security is an 
intermediate-to-advanced concept in software development, then all the other 
"-ilities" ("goodness" properties, if you will), such as quality, reliability, 
usability, safety, etc. that go beyond "just get the bloody thing to work" are 
also intermediate-to-advanced concepts. 

In other words, teach the "goodness" properties to developers only after 
they've inculcated all the bad habits they possibly can, and then, when they 
are out in the marketplace and never again incentivised to actually unlearn 
those bad habits, TRY desperately to change their minds using nothing but 
F.U.D. and various other psychological means of dubious effectiveness.

Great strategy! Our hacker friends will love it.

Karen Mercedes Goertzel, CISSP
Associate
703.698.7454
goertzel_ka...@bah.com
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From: sc-l-boun...@securecoding.org [sc-l-boun...@securecoding.org] On Behalf 
Of Benjamin Tomhave [list-s...@secureconsulting.net]
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:35 PM
To: sc-l@securecoding.org
Subject: Re: [SC-L] Where Does Secure Coding Belong In the Curriculum?

Two quick comments in catching up on the thread...

First, security in the software development concept is at least an
intermediate concept, if not advanced....
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