Hi!

I think i have a solution for this!

Go to move 10 in Game 1, and  -> search ->current Board ->Search in
reference database (where the other game is stored)  and then merge
from there (second game) . For me, that works (haven't tried your
example, but i remember from the past), hopefully it works in your
case, too)


Greets, Philipp




Am 2011-08-24 10:08, schrieb sous...@free.fr:
> Hi,
> Thanks for your reply.
> 1) Unfortunately, the first solution does not work. The merge game has a 
> non-standard start position.
> 2) As you mentionned, this option may work but it is too much time-consuming!
>
> Interestingly, Scid recognizes some transpositions in games. For instance, in 
> the Sicilian Keres attack Scid correctly merges games despite different move 
> orders to reach the move 6.g4. Probably move 10 is too far from the beginning.
> Cheers
> Jos
>
>> Dear scidlisters,
>> I have an issue which has recently come up dealing with the merge function.
>>
>> I am using Scid 4.3.
>>
>> Is it possible to merge a game at a choosen move?
>> Scid does not always recognize that two games have reached the same position 
>> with different move orders. Thus, the merge is not properly made.
> In list view, Scid does not recognize transpositions in games. In tree
> view it may do.
> If you create a small database with only these two games, the tree works
> exactly as you expect. I am not sure, but you may be able to save the
> tree as a single new game. This game should show two variations: One
> after 2.Nf3 and one after 10... Nbd7
>
> I have two manual workaround suggestions (I hope you do not need to do
> this for many games!):
>
> 1. (may work)
> * Open game 2 and go to the position after 10.... Nbd7
> * Strip moves from the beginning (make it start at move 11.Nb3 from a
> FEN start position)
> * save this game as a (temporary) new game.
> * Merge this stripped copy of game 2, into game 1. This may work, but I
> did not test this myself.
> * Delete the temporary copy.
>
> 2. (certainly works, but takes some time)
> * Open game 1 and go to the position after 10....Nbd7
> * Enter the moves as they were played in game 2, starting with 11.Nb3
> * save the game as a new game using the data from game 2.
> * Reopen game 1 and merge the patched copy of game 2
> * Delete the temporary copy.
>
> Depending on how you want the merge result stored, exact operations can
> be simplified a bit (but I guess you got that point).
>
> Cheers,
> Joost.
>
>
>> For instance, the following two games have reached the same position at move 
>> 10 with a complete different move order.
>>
>> Ivanchuk, Vassily (2719)  --  Rublevsky, Sergei (2670)
>> EU-Cup 16th (6.1)  Neum
>> 2000.09.29  0-1  B84
>>
>> 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 a6 5.Be2 Nf6 6.Nc3 Qc7 7.O-O d6 8.a4 Be7 
>> 9.a5 O-O 10.Be3 Nbd7 11.g4 h6 12.f4 d5!? 13.exd5 Nxd5 14.Nxd5 exd5 15.Nf5 
>> Nf6 16.Nxe7+ Qxe7 17.Ra3 Be6 18.Bf3 Rfe8 19.Bd4 Ne4 20.Re3 f5 21.c4 Rad8 
>> 22.cxd5 Bxd5 23.gxf5 Qf7 24.Rfe1 Qxf5 25.Qc2 Bc6 26.Bxe4? Rxe4 27.Rxe4 Qg6+ 
>> 28.Kf2 Rxd4 29.Qxc6 □ Qxc6 30.Rxd4 Qc5 31.Re4 Qxa5 32.b4 Qa3 33.Kg2 Qc3 
>> 34.Rd8+ Kh7 35.Rdd4 b6 36.f5 a5! 37.bxa5 bxa5 38.Ra4 Qc5 39.Rf4 Qd5+ 40.Kg3 
>> Qd3+ 41.Kg2 Qe3 42.Rf2 Qg5+ 43.Kf1?? Qc1+ 0-1
>>
>> Adams, Michael  (2724)   --   Hou, Yifan  (2523)
>> UK-CHN (6)  Liverpool
>> 2007.09.09  1-0  B84
>>
>> 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be2 e6 7.O-O Be7 8.a4 Qc7 
>> 9.a5 O-O 10.Be3 Nbd7 11.Nb3 b5 12.axb6 Nxb6 13.Qd4 Nbd7 14.Rfd1 Ne5 15.Qb6 
>> Qxb6 16.Bxb6 Bb7 17.f3 Nc6 18.Ra4 h6 19.Kf1 Rfc8 20.Bf2 Rcb8 21.Bg3 Rd8 
>> 22.Rda1 Rab8 23.Nd1 Bc8 24.Na5 Nxa5 25.Rxa5 e5 26.Bxa6 Be6 27.b3 Nh5 28.Ne3 
>> Nxg3+ 29.hxg3 Bg5 30.Ke2 g6 31.Bd3 Bxe3 32.Kxe3 f5 33.Ra7 fxe4 34.Bxe4 Bf7 
>> 35.R1a6 Rb4 36.Rc7 Rd4 37.Raa7 Rf8 38.c3 Rd1 39.Ke2 1-0
>>
>> How to force the second game to merge at move 10 in the first game? And not 
>> at move 2!
>> Can anyone please help me out?
>> Thanks!
>> Jos
>>
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