Hi,

> This is wrong because now you can use either scidvspc or scid, your choice,
> after you can only use scidvspc.

In that case you are clearly seeing the two as completely separate
programs, which I must admit, I do not.

Freedom of choice is good, but it can also create confusion.
Let me tell you where I am coming from: I started to use Scid because
it is the only chess DB packaged for Debian. When I noticed all the
bugs I intended to help out with the development, but then I saw that
Scid is mostly dead, whereas Scid vs PC is actively developed. I have
no idea how open Steve is for patches, but sending patches to an
active maintainer rather than to a dead project is much more appealing
to me.
I'm a correspondence chess player and I use Scid about 1 to 2 hours
per day to analyse my games, so I really care about usability and
stability. But I do not really care too much how it is achieved, as
long as it works. At the moment I spend quite some time every day
working around the quirks of Scid (regular restarts to avoid crashes,
manual entering of variations, etc.). As I said before, I am really
happy Scid exists, but there is clear room for improvement. :)


According to svn log, the fork of Scid vs PC dates back to late March
2010, but around 3/4 of the development has been done in the last two
years, when Scid was mostly idle.
On the other hand, according to git log, the number changes in Scid
since then are managable. Of course there has been a certain amount of
divergence, but to me it does not look like it would be impossible to
merge them.

It would seem more logical to do the merge the other way around, i.e.
merge interesting fixes from Scid into Scid vs PC. That should be less
work, although there would still be quite some manual work involved of
course.


Moreover, it is not like old versions of Scid will disappear. I think
in the end it comes down to the question whether there is anyone who
intends to develop Scid further, which right now simply does not seem
to be the case. I think that is also where Steve's proposal is coming
from.

I honestly don't know the reasons why Scid was forked in the first
place, usually forks happen because of social or technical
disagreements. But if nobody is developing Scid anymore, does it
really matter?

By keeping the projects apart you are potentially doubling the work
for downstreams, i.e. distributions such as Debian, Fedora, ...

But it seems quite obvious by now that there is no consensus about the
usefulness of keeping Scid around in its current form. In the end it
is up to the project administrators to agree on something anyway, I
only wanted to explain my reasoning. :)

Kind regards,
Aljoscha

On 13 March 2013 11:13, Fulvio <f...@libero.it> wrote:
> Aljoscha Lautenbach wrote:
>>
>> I am very much in favour of this merge.
>>
>>
>> Fulvio, for the people who have not been around as long, could you
>> name a reason why you are opposed to the merge? Do you have concrete
>> plans to develop Scid further? There has been almost no activity in
>> the last 2 years.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Aljoscha
>>
>
> Hi, i'm in favour of the merge too.
> But Steven is not proposing to merge scidvspc back to scid (please see my
> other post on how that should be done) he is proposing to delete the scid
> you are currently using and replace it with his scidvspc.
> This is wrong because now you can use either scidvspc or scid, your choice,
> after you can only use scidvspc.
> Bye,
> Fulvio

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