I thought selinux wouldn't be too bad when having it activated on
Debian, seems I was wrong. I have more trust in selinux than I do in
apparmor. I don't really want to run any of my systems without selinux
so seems I'll have to stick to one of the remaining rhel clones.
On 12/10/20 6:02 PM, Maarten wrote:
I work mostly with RHEL systems and for personal use I have been
running Scientific Linux and CentOS on my personal systems.
Now that RedHat basically killed CentOS the question is how long will
the currently still available ones keep going, and Debian has
been around for quite sometime so it suites my needs plus selinux also
works with Debian. I will still wait out to what RedHat has in
store for people running personal production systems.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.redhat.com_en_blog_faq-2Dcentos-2Dstream-2Dupdates-23Q12&d=DwIDaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=mR7inj3dfCIvMYQf_DuiWftnWMm9ZsNa-hI9OTJBbAI&s=-oofTUPIRoIq7_PSdfgygmpInBFE6TzsO6fouRxUE0Y&e=
On 12/10/20 5:47 PM, Vinícius Ferrão wrote:
I’ve done this mistake in the past.
The major issue with Debian is its lifecycle, even LTS is 5 years
only. Same for Ubuntu. It’s just too little. If you need to install
it near the end of the 2yr lifecycle you’ll get effectively something
like 3yrs of support.
The other issue is that the vast majority of academic and scientific
software is targeted for Enterprise Linux. As an HPC engineer we
always needs to use RHEL/derivatives or SLES/Leap. OpenHPC is only
available to those flavors. Mellanox OFED? Ok there’s Ubuntu support
nowadays, but the default branches are still for EL/SLE.
That’s how things work in our environment. I think the vast majority
of people here works on Academia or with science/research/etc.
And finally I don’t want to adapt everything to Debian. The FHS is
different, scripts will break, etc.
Best regards,
Vinícius Ferrão
Sent from my iPhone
On 10 Dec 2020, at 13:38, Maarten
<000011ce72e232d2-dmarc-requ...@listserv.fnal.gov> wrote:
I might also consider switching to Debian since it will be hard to
tell if any other still existing rhel clones will continue and
Debian has been around for quite some time.
On 12/10/20 8:34 AM, Maarten wrote:
I will probably be more like to go for Springdale Linux since
they've been around since before CentOS, I find it hard to put
trust in a project that's just getting started unless of course
CERN changes their decision about discontinuing Scientific Linux
since they were migrating to CentOS.
On 12/10/20 5:17 AM, ~Stack~ wrote:
On 12/9/20 9:16 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
One thing does concern me: having left CentOS (it was all
"volunteer" effort at that epoch as I recall) for SL, a primary
motivator was that SL had professional (employed, not volunteer)
persons doing the distros, and this SL list amounting to support.
If Rocky is to be all volunteer, how reliable and professional
will it be? This is not a minor issue, as very few enthusiasts
or other non-professionals provide a truly reliable deliverable.
I would say, give it time. It wouldn't be the first time Kurtzer
started an open source project and turned into a company. :-)
For my use, is EL going to continue to be workstation friendly
(e.g., laptop in which one cannot pick and choose to integrate
only Linux traditionally supported controllers with appropriate
drivers, such as sound "cards", but is stuck with whatever the
laptop vendor has used -- typically MS Win "supported") or is it
primarily a server distro? Ubuntu LTS still seems to be laptop
friendly.
They are aiming for complete RHEL reproducibility. If the goal is
to be as-true-as-possible-RHEL variant then the answer would be in
how you use RHEL.
But do give it sometime. It's only been two days and the
announcement I just saw said that there are now 750 people
actively participating in the various forms to communication and
they have direction, a plan, and leaders making it happen. And
there's thousands of people who have noticed and are talking about
it on /. , reddit, lwn, ect. That's pretty impressive and it
speaks volumes about the number of people who really do want a
true-to-RHEL variant.
~Stack~
