Thank you for quoting from the Princeton material. I had read the
Princeton commentary a while ago when internally we were debating SL vs.
Princeton, and went with SL because Fermilab/CERN combined have better
resources than Princeton alone. The one thing I did note and have
mentioned on this list, if memory serves, was that SL8 was to be
replaced by (the now to-be-defunct) CentOS 8, for which the comment that
such RPMs (including presumably SRPMs) are "not 100% safe" seemed
applicable. However, there was no substantial discussion of this point;
thus I assumed that as Fermilab/CERN did have a very limited deployment
RHEL license, the HEP community CentOS 8 would be verified against
"safe" RHEL for not just binary compatibility ("bug for bug") but also
"safety".
As pointed out by others on this list, I too need later C++ versions
than EL 7 has -- any idea when Springdale EL8 will be in production
distribution with a distro?
On 12/14/20 12:10 PM, Maarten wrote:
Spring is a binary clone of RHEL and the sources are not based off CentOS.
Quoting someone from the Springdale mailinglist: "Springdale Linux
formerly known as PUIAS (Princeton University Institute for Advanced
Studies) is older than CentOS and it compiles it's own binaries from the
upstream source code. It is unrelated to CentOS and in my experience
CentOS RPMs are not 100% safe. I tend to avoid them. Springdale has it's
own repos, EPEL is ok and RPM Fusion works for me. For CUDA I use RHEL
RPMs not CentOS RPMs the same goes for Chrome or anything else."
If you want to install Springdale you can just use the boot iso no DVD
needed: puias.princeton.edu/data/puias/8.3/x86_64/os/images/boot.iso
As for converting from CentOS8 to Springdale it's basically removing the
the Centos specific packages and replacing them with the Springdale
packages. I have done this with a test system and afterwards with my
personal systems that were running CentOS8. it worked flawlessly so I
will be sticking to Springdale Linux even after Rocky Linux is released.
Maarten
On 12/14/20 8:49 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
Springdale EL (Princeton in my terminology, just as SL is
Fermilab/CERN) shows the following:
Download
DVD
i386 x86_64
8.3 TBA TBA
That is, there is no repo with an installable EL 8 ISO image. As for
repos, Springdale shows:
If you are only looking to install some rpms, you can download our
repositories on your system.
YUM Repositories for PUIAS 8? (NB: This text was thus shown as not
[yet?] available.
If Sprindale is built from CentOS, then such a build will no longer be
possible from CentOS Stream (a perpetual "beta" version, not a
production distro). Springdale (and Rocky EL) and any future SL 8 --
were the HEP community to fund such (personnel, space, and hardware
platforms) -- would need to get actual production RHEL 8 source from
IBM RH pursuant to the Linux, GPL, etc., licenses. Such sources are
not "pretty" and are deliberately designed to be "unfriendly" to build
from source, even with removal of all of the proprietary "logo" IP.
The idea of keeping SL 7 "alive" with perpetual backporting also may
not be attractive. For now, until IBM RH announces for CentOS 7 what
was announced for the to-be-defunct CentOS 8, CentOS 7 can keep SL 7
patched for security, albeit not necessarily for new hardware (e.g.,
backporting drivers) or supporting new CPU and system I/O architectures.
Yasha Karant
On 12/14/20 3:39 AM, Maarten wrote:
I already converted over my personal systems over to Springdale Linux
without having to reinstall because it saved me from having to
reinstall Debian from scratch on all of my systems.
On 12/14/20 12:37 PM, Tapia, Ron wrote:
Hi,
Is anyone considering Springdale Linux
(https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__springdale.math.ias.edu_&d=DwIFAw&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=fXPV3dpZLhNbng7dmn_Ujhzb4ZuEw1y-JygmhWnmWFc&s=X_cL7uUNfZJblixsdJpO5f8utO2X1cLdZWYLVmfwc-s&e=
) as a way forward after SL7?
Thanks,
Ron
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