Maybe the AlmaLinux reddit (might also be one for Rocky? -- James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University
________________________________________ From: owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov <owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov> on behalf of Yasha Karant <ykar...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 1:01 PM To: scientific-linux-users Subject: Re: [SL-Users] Re: any update on CERN Linux and CentOS-8 situation? If I correctly have read the IBH RH EL9 CentOS announcement below, EL 9 will be in production before the end of this year, leapfrogging EL 8 as it were. I wonder how much of this is due to the various issues with EL 8? As SL 8 is not happening, SL 9 certainly is not -- forcing one to choose to stay RPM or not. If one stays RPM and does not want the instability of CentOS stream (please see a previous posting to this list with direct deployment observations of stream -- totally unsuitable for a production hardened environment based upon what I read -- even less "stable" than Fedora), then one is forced to either Rocky or AlmaLinux, assuming either pushes out an EL 9 clone as soon as CentOS or other IBM RH buildable source is released. Otherwise, for those who do not have a too heavy investment in hardware "driver" or specific software/systems application RPMs, there is Canonical Ubuntu LTS. Ubuntu lacks anything similar to this list, as from my direct sign up and inspection of AlmaLinux does that distro as well -- both have something similar to "Ask Ubuntu" that is much more cumbersome and much more eyecandy than this straightforward list. And, many more "non-systems" comments, much less of an "engineering" approach than this list. On 5/4/21 9:46 AM, Leon Fauster wrote: > On 04.05.21 17:41, Dave Dykstra wrote: >> Yasha, >> >> I'll try to answer as I understand things as an observer. >> >> On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 02:51:30PM -0700, Yasha Karant wrote: >> ... >>> 1. Fermilab and the non-CERN HEP community are not part of the Linux >>> Future >>> Community analysis as far as I can read, but are consulted later >>> after the >>> analysis is prepared (for HEP or CERN internal)? >> >> Fermilab and CERN have made it clear that they want to do everything >> jointly. They are considering input from the rest of the HEP community. >> >>> 2. CentOS Stream 8 repositories -- are these available outside of CERN? >>> Outside of HEP? >> >> CentOS Stream 8 comes straight from Red Hat. > > > > JFI: > > "CentOS Stream 9 will launch in Q2 2021 as part of the RHEL 9 > development process." > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.redhat.com_en_blog_faq-2Dcentos-2Dstream-2Dupdates&d=DwICaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=hYk1ITQcUtbqa-Vlm6RCnkOJbUbC15278L1IWzXyRqw&s=SfSn-uhVE6EuC2nmdoDVqqJNPWL1Ak06bk4NTVMleN0&e= > > > Availability of Stream 9 packages on Gitlab, and a koji instance where > you can watch package build activity. > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__blog.centos.org_2021_05_centos-2Dcommunity-2Dnewsletter-2Dmay-2D2021-2D2105_&d=DwICaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=hYk1ITQcUtbqa-Vlm6RCnkOJbUbC15278L1IWzXyRqw&s=1_prbp5ptWOW4IlH1AtwMdgIqTByadUaIjE00obAC3A&e= > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__composes.stream.centos.org_test&d=DwICaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=hYk1ITQcUtbqa-Vlm6RCnkOJbUbC15278L1IWzXyRqw&s=dzekCNHUpo0DVAy9dFQWWJ38-TVG9bhnDuypLQJB2yU&e= > > > >>> 3. Note CC7 not SL7. What are the differences? >> >> CERN and Fermilab did diverge on their approach to EL7. You know what >> SL7 is, and much of the HEP community stuck with that, but CERN based >> their operating system on CentOS. CC7 stands for CERN CentOS 7. They >> are basically compatible and I didn't hear of any application software >> that noticed any difference beside the name. > > > > -- > Leon
