I didn't know that about the film cost, but even with alternatives, almost no
one shoots in B&W nowadays. As for the effect of taking out some color, that's
becoming more common. Movies like Terminator Salvation, Where the Wild Things
Are, and The Book of Eli use those techniques to wash a lot of color out of the
movie, leaving an overall color such as a murky grey, muted browns, etc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com>
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:56:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
Black and white film is extremely expensive to develop now, because there are
only a couple of places in the world (on a pro level) that still does it. The
process uses mercury (toxic) and silver in it. $1k per 1 foot was the last
quote I heard.
What a lot of people are doing now is shooting in color then using Avid or
Final Cut effects to make it black and white.
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net >
wrote:
I know. Shorts for cell phones and iPhones?
I get that tastes change over the generations, that succeeding eras add more
violence, nudity, action, sound, etc. I get that new generations thus start out
used to more FX, faster action, sometimes less plot. They become inured to the
blood and gore and explicit sex my generation took as cutting edge or even
shocking.
But at some point quality is just quality, and the old standards just can't be
replaced. For example, I love the original Star Trek series. Some of the best
of that series--of any Trek--are some of the "slower" shows. Shows like "The
Conscience of the King", "Charlie X", "What are Little Girls Made of?",
"Balance of Terror". Some would say those eps don't have enough action, or that
the action is too slow. I say they represent some of the finest dramatic
writing and acting of any genre, and I love that.
So while I can appreciate the faster action and fancier FX of Star Wars or even
the first Transformers movie, there's still a large part of me that crazes good
plotting and acting. I miss scifi where plot and acting is paramount to FX. I
miss movies where characters actually talk a lot and take time to execute a
well thought out plan before blowing up stuff. I miss films where the camera
stays in one place for more than two seconds, allowing me to take a whole
scene. Hell, I miss good black and white films. Sad so few directors even work
in that medium nowadays.
To me, gorging on the bulk of American cinema nowadays is like saying all i
want to eat is a fast food meal every day of burger, fries and shake. I *love*
that stuff, but I also love sitting down to a good, relaxed meal where I take
time to savor the food. I think H'Wood cops out by just saying young kids need
more action. Make some quality stuff and let them get a taste of something
other than hamburger, and they just might like it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com >
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:06:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
What I'm curious about is after a generation or two of super short attention
spans what are they going to do to make movies in the future?
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net >
wrote:
Oh don't make me sad! I remember the good old shows for the important works
they were at the time due to their cultural significance, then get sad when
they're mined shamelessly for quick cash nowadays.
"Mod Squad" was a seminal show for its time. I was puzzled as to why they did a
remake, given the power and import of the original couldn't be recaptured in
these modern times. it just came off as someone capitalizing on the name and
memory of a show, but not really contributing to its significance. In the 70s,
young hippie types as cops, a black man and a woman as detectives, was
revolutionary. In modern times it's same old same old. Even TV shows like "New
York Undercover" had covered that ground by the time the movie came out.
I felt the same about "Shaft". They just cashed in on the name, then gave us a
movie where Jackson brought nothing new to the role, made nothing approaching
the type of statements Roundtree was making back in the day (even of some of
those statements were sexist). And it was toothless to boot, as the studio
demanded they cut back on all the sexuality of Roundtree's original movies.
Then what was the point...?
And most of all, I still lament what Tom Cruise did to the Mission Impossible
concept with his movies. I believe that was one of the first of the recent
trend of "remakes in name only", where the studio cashes in on the cachet of a
name, then proceeds to completely butcher the original concept. The MI movies
were okay (the third had lots of good action thanks to Abrams), but they were
nothing like the real concept of the series. The series were about deception,
planning, and teamwork. They had a lot of intelligently planned and executed
missions. The movies were star vehicles centering on Cruise, with the other
agents as mere assistants. It was really more a spy movie based on a single
spy. I wish they'd have just created a new franchise and not sullied the memory
of MI by using that great series' name. And what did they to Jim Phelps
character in the first flick was unforgivable. Peter Graves--the second but
most well known Jim Phelps---was aghast at that move.
Yeah, yeah I know: idiot modern, younger audiences need more action. Man I get
tired of that excuse. What are we producing, succeeding generations of kids
with short attention spans?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com >
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:16:37 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
Yea the Rockford files replaced Mannix as the show to watch when I was a kid.
(also Mission Impossible and Mod Squad)
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net >
wrote:
That was part of the fun of those old detective shows. The guys weren't
invincible, weren't some kind of Special Forces/Green Beret/SEAL who could kill
a man with their pinky. They were regular guys who had to depend on sleuthing,
healthy "tips" to the local pimp or drunk for information, and good old
fashioned stubborness. Made them more relatable to me. Remember Jim Rockford?
He was always getting beat up too, and i loved that show.
By the way, i hear "The Rockford Files" is being remade soon.
----- Original Message -----
From: "C.W. Badie" < astromancer2...@yahoo.com >
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:09:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
What I remember of Mannix was he got the crap beat out of him just about every
other week...
"Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
>From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie
--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Mr. Worf < hellomahog...@gmail.com > wrote:
From: Mr. Worf < hellomahog...@gmail.com >
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 11:17 PM
I forgot about Mannix! That was one of the first detective shows that I
remember watching! I haven't seen any re-runs of that show though. It was on tv
from 1968-75.
According to wiki Gail Fisher won multiple Emmys for that show.
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Keith Johnson < KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net >
wrote:
Not bad at all. I also liked Teresa Graves ("Get Christie Love") and Gail
Fisher ("Mannix")
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracey de Morsella" < tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com >
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:31:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
How come you guys never bring up Tamara Dobson (Cleopatra Jones). She sounds
like she belongs in this group
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Tamara_Dobson
From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com ] On
Behalf Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:51 PM
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
I was never enamored of Ms. Grier (sacrilege I know!), but poor Lisa Nicole
Carson did it for me! Too bad she seems to be suffering from serious emotional
problems. Nola Gaye, yes indeed. And let's not forget Lola Falana and Dianne
Carroll. Oh--and Sofia Vergara from "Modern Family". Wow, wow, wow!
Halle who?
----- Original Message -----
From: "C.W. Badie" < astromancer2002@ yahoo.com >
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:40:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
I've met and seen folk who look better naked and others who look great in
clothes...Halle is the latter...Yeah, I know there are some who look great
bothe ways...I am a school of the full-figured 60's and 70's genre No one
mentioned Nola Gaye, Lisa Nicole Carson, Pam Grier (who does not need to be
mentioned along with Raquel or Sophia) and a few other youngsters whom I have
trouble remembering. ..Nope, didn't forget Tracey either (wink!)...
"Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
>From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie
--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Kelwyn < ravena...@yahoo. com > wrote:
From: Kelwyn < ravena...@yahoo. com >
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:48 AM
--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , Keith Johnson <KeithBJohnson@ ...> wrote:
> > Rather than Berry, I humbly suggest looking up any movie with Selma Hayek
in it--the dancing scene in that vampire movie alone is worth the price of ten
shots of Berry's nekkid chest--this despite Hayek keeping her clothes on! Or
anything that features Sanaa Lathan, she of the incredibly cute smile and
dreamy eyes that just suck one in. Or anything with Gabrielle Union, face as
pretty and perfect as a living doll's. Nia Long in "Love Jones" is just a treat
to look at too --and it's a good movie to boot. >
I see you and raise you:
~rave!
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